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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Will" data-source="post: 1470803" data-attributes="member: 5566">Thank you for remaining calm, CPXB. I hope I haven't come across as rude, given I know how complete disagreement on specific points can look. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I still think monks are an often overlooked, solid scout, but you have a good point about rangers and two-weapon fighting/rapid shot.I will admit, I'd be much happier if monks had fewer toys (specials) and good BAB. I'd say, drop Slow Fall and, oh, 5-6 other specials in exchange, and I'd be a happy camper.The healing power of paladins is, IMO, not all that big a deal. A single guy with a CLW wand can do as much or more. That's a judgment call, but while a paladin's healing has been handy, I've never seen it play an important role in games I've run/played.As for the mount and spells... er, again, in my experiences, those have minimal impact on a game. Spells in particular.For what it's worth, it's not just the monk that is affected by DM choices. All classes are.For example, the flexibility of a wizard falls flat when encounters tend to be of a specific type. Then the sorcerer becomes most useful, because she can learn the spells that are most often relevant. In a game where things vary immensely, the wizard pulls ahead.Lots of dungeon crawls can reduce the power of rangers, druids (though not as much), and those with a mounted combat focus. In one game, I think our paladin got to use a full mounted charge twice in 2-3 realtime years.In the same game, I'm an archer-rogue with rapidshot. Our DM throws singular, powerful opponents (because otherwise 'they die too damn fast'). This made my focus... not so useful, because rapid attacks were more likely to miss. Then I buffed outrageously (cohort wizard, bracers of archery, boost of haste 3.0, etc), and finally got nasty.Then there's simple things like the rogues in games where nothing takes critical hits.For every character class, there's a situation where a player is thinking his class is broken.</blockquote>

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