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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sereg" data-source="post: 1471729" data-attributes="member: 18008">jgsugdenThose are all interesting and valid adventures, but there's a point I'd like to make here, that I believe you'll agree with me on:When a large part of the *core* rules is only balanced through *specifically targeting it, due to being so powerful*, its not balanced.Yes, sometimes you can have adventures with tight time constraints. MOST of the time, Rope trick and Mords Mansion, not to mention the teleport spells, mean resting is a non issue.  Furthermore, I daresay if the caster's aren't getting spells, the melee aren't exactly going to be holding up long. Hitpoints are very, very finite things in high level D&D, and fighters lose them at alarming rates against most foes. The bottom line is, fighter types are limited in power, utterly reliant on casters at high levels, or on magic items produced by said casters.  Casters determine the pace of the encounter, the adventure, the game.  Casters can create reactions, rather than simply reacting to the world, and since we know offense is better than defense in D&D by a large margin, Casters therefore have the power.Yes, you can artifically constrain that power, but that doesn't mean there isn't a balance issue in the core of the system.Show me a wizard without a spellbook who is crippled, i'll show you a fighter without items who's not one fifteith as strong as the cleric or sorceror who also lost his items.  You can create specific situations to prove any point: My test is this.  Run a gammet of adventures of various types, not attempting to cater to any one power group (all undead when you're trying to prove rogues suck).  You'll see my issue with casters.Seregps. This isn't theoretical: Even in your examples casters held the power, and without them melee would either outright fail, or have almost no chance.  My beafs with the system come from immense gameplay under all gm's, so please don't bring out specific examples, lets talk standard adventures with core wealth, rules, magic items.  Casters vs fighters (20 bab types). Can you really claim there is any balance whatsoever?</blockquote>

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