Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Issues with Summon Monster/Summon Nature's Ally (2004 Thread)
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Majere" data-source="post: 1471951" data-attributes="member: 13916"><p>Im currently playing a mid level mystic theurge (mage/druid).</p><p>I have the augment summoning feat too.</p><p>Ive used summon natures ally a grand total of about once. </p><p></p><p>Summons spells take too long to cast and last too short a time in most combats ? Give up a round for 5 rounds of animal ?</p><p>The animal is going to be dead after 2 rounds of combat !</p><p>Seirously, summons animals die lie lemmings, if they dont, your DM is doing something wrong because almost every thing on the NSA list has an ac of about 16.</p><p>You were buffing the summon ? Well now your 5 round spell is going to last 4 rounds and you have spent two rounds doing nothing. </p><p></p><p>Druids generally arent that powerful unless they have TIME. And the one thing 3.5 never gives you in combat is TIME. The same applies to all spellcasting. You need TIME to learn spells and TIME to cast spells. </p><p>My theurge hardly ever cats ANY druid spells because mage spells are usually much the better option. There is not enough TIME.</p><p></p><p>The monk doesnt need time, he is always ready, he can always go. He can get a good initiative. TIME is on the monks side. </p><p>IMC The fighters do the damage, they do damage over 40-50 round combats, over 5-6 combats per day. </p><p></p><p>I also have to say Im agains rewriting a class becasue you dont like it, but if your DM is ok with that then I geuss thats ok. </p><p></p><p>Majere</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Majere, post: 1471951, member: 13916"] Im currently playing a mid level mystic theurge (mage/druid). I have the augment summoning feat too. Ive used summon natures ally a grand total of about once. Summons spells take too long to cast and last too short a time in most combats ? Give up a round for 5 rounds of animal ? The animal is going to be dead after 2 rounds of combat ! Seirously, summons animals die lie lemmings, if they dont, your DM is doing something wrong because almost every thing on the NSA list has an ac of about 16. You were buffing the summon ? Well now your 5 round spell is going to last 4 rounds and you have spent two rounds doing nothing. Druids generally arent that powerful unless they have TIME. And the one thing 3.5 never gives you in combat is TIME. The same applies to all spellcasting. You need TIME to learn spells and TIME to cast spells. My theurge hardly ever cats ANY druid spells because mage spells are usually much the better option. There is not enough TIME. The monk doesnt need time, he is always ready, he can always go. He can get a good initiative. TIME is on the monks side. IMC The fighters do the damage, they do damage over 40-50 round combats, over 5-6 combats per day. I also have to say Im agains rewriting a class becasue you dont like it, but if your DM is ok with that then I geuss thats ok. Majere [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Issues with Summon Monster/Summon Nature's Ally (2004 Thread)
Top