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<blockquote data-quote="hong" data-source="post: 1472384" data-attributes="member: 537"><p>You will, eventually, run out of even wands of CLW. Even if you don't, you will eventually run the DM's patience out.</p><p> </p><p>There is this myth that just because a fighter's (or a monk's) abilities are always-on, they can keep going and going like the Energizer bunny. This just isn't the case. D&D is setup so that no one class can solo a dungeon, save with extensive DM intervention; you need skills that every class contributes.</p><p> </p><p>If your wiz has run out of teleports or dim doors, and you need to get to the other side of a wall, then you're stuck. If your cleric has run out of heals, and one guy is down 10 Con points from a fight with wraiths, then you're stuck. Besides which, even if your class abilities are always-on, your magic items might not be; if you've used all 10 rounds from your boots of speed, or your 1/day cape of the mountebank, then that's a major reduction in your power. Past a certain point, having always-on abilities is useless, because you're still constrained by the need for your buddies and your items to keep up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hong, post: 1472384, member: 537"] You will, eventually, run out of even wands of CLW. Even if you don't, you will eventually run the DM's patience out. There is this myth that just because a fighter's (or a monk's) abilities are always-on, they can keep going and going like the Energizer bunny. This just isn't the case. D&D is setup so that no one class can solo a dungeon, save with extensive DM intervention; you need skills that every class contributes. If your wiz has run out of teleports or dim doors, and you need to get to the other side of a wall, then you're stuck. If your cleric has run out of heals, and one guy is down 10 Con points from a fight with wraiths, then you're stuck. Besides which, even if your class abilities are always-on, your magic items might not be; if you've used all 10 rounds from your boots of speed, or your 1/day cape of the mountebank, then that's a major reduction in your power. Past a certain point, having always-on abilities is useless, because you're still constrained by the need for your buddies and your items to keep up. [/QUOTE]
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