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Issues with Summon Monster/Summon Nature's Ally (2004 Thread)
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<blockquote data-quote="Herpes Cineplex" data-source="post: 1473624" data-attributes="member: 16936"><p>Ah, yes, because everyone <em>loves</em> playing the character who never stands out, never impresses anyone else, or never manages to even be the equal of any other party member. Why, in most games, players are lined up around the block for a chance at running a second-banana character who only supports the starring cast. Really, it's just an honor to be on the team! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> </p><p></p><p>Seriously, though, most players enjoy getting a little spotlight time in. It feels <em>good</em> to be the superstar once in a while, to be the guy who everyone remembers after the job is done. It's good to feel not just useful, but actually essential. And for a lot of players, it sucks if they never get to feel that. It can ruin a game completely.</p><p></p><p>Basically, it's not selfish to want to enjoy the game you're playing. It might be considered a little selfish to tell the person who's not having fun to shut up and pretend he's having fun when he really isn't, though.</p><p></p><p>So lay off players who are whining about their PC not being good enough to fit in the campaign they're playing. It's a valid complaint, it's frustrating as hell, and above all else, it really does happen. Bitch at them if they're just whining about it without actually trying to do something to improve the situation, sure, but that hardly applies to <em>this</em> thread, where suggestions and potential solutions have appeared on every single page.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Me, I like monks. But I know for a fact that there are games being run out there where monks really are that much weaker than the other character classes and consequently that much less fun to play, and I'm not going to pretend that it's wrong for people who are faced with that problem to try and fix it.</p><p></p><p>--</p><p>and honestly, practically nothing is ever fixed without someone bitching about it first</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Herpes Cineplex, post: 1473624, member: 16936"] Ah, yes, because everyone [i]loves[/i] playing the character who never stands out, never impresses anyone else, or never manages to even be the equal of any other party member. Why, in most games, players are lined up around the block for a chance at running a second-banana character who only supports the starring cast. Really, it's just an honor to be on the team! :p Seriously, though, most players enjoy getting a little spotlight time in. It feels [i]good[/i] to be the superstar once in a while, to be the guy who everyone remembers after the job is done. It's good to feel not just useful, but actually essential. And for a lot of players, it sucks if they never get to feel that. It can ruin a game completely. Basically, it's not selfish to want to enjoy the game you're playing. It might be considered a little selfish to tell the person who's not having fun to shut up and pretend he's having fun when he really isn't, though. So lay off players who are whining about their PC not being good enough to fit in the campaign they're playing. It's a valid complaint, it's frustrating as hell, and above all else, it really does happen. Bitch at them if they're just whining about it without actually trying to do something to improve the situation, sure, but that hardly applies to [i]this[/i] thread, where suggestions and potential solutions have appeared on every single page. Me, I like monks. But I know for a fact that there are games being run out there where monks really are that much weaker than the other character classes and consequently that much less fun to play, and I'm not going to pretend that it's wrong for people who are faced with that problem to try and fix it. -- and honestly, practically nothing is ever fixed without someone bitching about it first [/QUOTE]
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