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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bauglir" data-source="post: 1474194" data-attributes="member: 6982">The monk is a blunt swiss army knife..  Lots of seemingly useful abilities that might be nice if they actually worked..For example, in a similar discussion back in 3.0, I took a level 5 monk (16 dex, wis, weapon finesse) and compared it to each and every CR 5 monster in the monster manual.  The average chance to land a successful stunning fist attack came out at around 13%.  13%!.  Now I appreciate that that was 3.0, and that the dynamic of a class often changes from level to level, but really I can't say I've noticed this of the monk.  Feel free to do a similar study and prove me wrong..On another note the monk does appear to be defensively strong, at high levels at least, when their AC, saves and SR really start to stack up.  But the fact is that this contributes next to nothing to the party dynamic.  It reminds me of a 'melee sorcerer' character I once made as a kind of experiment.  He took every single buff he could get (including a few custom spells - basically enhanced versions of mage armour) and would then wade into melee with a longsword.  As a result he had an extremely high incorporeal touch AC.  When the party was attacked by spectres I figured this was the perfect scenario for this character, and waded in.  The high AC worked like a charm - after missing me once or twice they decided to ignore me and killed the cleric instead.  Now if my character had been able to deal more than trifling damage then perhaps they may have considered me enough of a threat and that cleric might have survived..</blockquote>

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