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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CPXB" data-source="post: 1476125" data-attributes="member: 17233">I wasn't saying that the barbarian shouldn't play to his strengths, and I was going *with* your assumptions -- but one of the class features of the barbarian is the ability to use a shield.  Using a shield *is* one of the barbarian's strengths.  And damage reduction most CERTAINLY is defensive in nature, as applicable to straight fighting and I pointed out you left out DR out of the mix.And if you bring up saves, its fair to bring up the barbarian's offense.  While your eighth level monk is doing around 1d8 damage, the barbarian is doing 1d12+9 points of damage -- putting something down fast is a wonderful way to avoid taking damage, and the barbarian will be putting stuff down roughly four times as fast as the monk.  *Literally four times as fast*.  Cutting down the length of time something can attack you could be construed as defensive.Also, hit points.  Sure, the monk doesn't take as much damage from many spells due to evasion -- but the barbarian just has a huge pile of hit points that the monk doesn't have.  Not to mention uncanny dodge, which means sneak attacks won't be taking down Mr. Barbarian, no they will not -- and they do still threaten monks.While the monk is strong compared to the barbarian in the Will department in particular, a low strength monk simply cannot remotely compare to a barbarian in a fight.  The have very modest to non-existent bonuses to defense while the barbarian is so overwhelming in offense that the fights will be much, much shorter in comparison.</blockquote>

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