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Issues with Summon Monster/Summon Nature's Ally (2004 Thread)
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<blockquote data-quote="CPXB" data-source="post: 1476186" data-attributes="member: 17233"><p>Neither did I! The only class to which I explicitly compared the monk was paladin, pages and pages ago at this point.</p><p></p><p>However, while you did not bring up the barbarian, you entered into the discussion about it and I think it is fair to say that you didn't mention all the elements that make up a barbarian's defense. Nor a monk's. You started your comparison strictly on the grounds of AC -- and I think its fair to say if you're going to maximize for AC (neither of your examples included people buying magic weapons, which we all know is what people prefer to buy with their gold, hehe) it is fair to give the barbarian a shield. </p><p></p><p>My post before last was muddied and incoherent -- my concentration was divided -- but I just don't think its fair to say that a monk's defenses are actually better than barbarians. Either taken strictly from the POV of AC or including other defensive abilities. The monk has better saves, evasion and still mind but the barbarian has many more hit points, uncanny dodge and damage reduction.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CPXB, post: 1476186, member: 17233"] Neither did I! The only class to which I explicitly compared the monk was paladin, pages and pages ago at this point. However, while you did not bring up the barbarian, you entered into the discussion about it and I think it is fair to say that you didn't mention all the elements that make up a barbarian's defense. Nor a monk's. You started your comparison strictly on the grounds of AC -- and I think its fair to say if you're going to maximize for AC (neither of your examples included people buying magic weapons, which we all know is what people prefer to buy with their gold, hehe) it is fair to give the barbarian a shield. My post before last was muddied and incoherent -- my concentration was divided -- but I just don't think its fair to say that a monk's defenses are actually better than barbarians. Either taken strictly from the POV of AC or including other defensive abilities. The monk has better saves, evasion and still mind but the barbarian has many more hit points, uncanny dodge and damage reduction. [/QUOTE]
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