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Issues with Summon Monster/Summon Nature's Ally (2004 Thread)
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<blockquote data-quote="Majere" data-source="post: 1476642" data-attributes="member: 13916"><p>To give hong something 20th level to get his teeth into. </p><p>Lucky thie invincible !</p><p>Halfling monk 20</p><p></p><p>Point Buy: Str: 12 Dex: 16 Con:14 Wis:16 Int:9 Cha:9</p><p>Level 20 : Str: 10 Dex: 23 Con:14 Wis:16 Int:9 Cha:9</p><p>Inc Items: Str: 16 Dex: 33 Con:16 Wis:26 Int:9 Cha:9</p><p></p><p>Wealth: (760k)</p><p>Gloves of Dexterity (+6)- 36k</p><p>Periapt of Wisdom (+6) - 36k</p><p>Iuan Stone (+2Con) - 8k</p><p>Belt of Strength (+6) - 36k</p><p>Iuan Stone of ac - 5k </p><p>Boots of Speed - 12k</p><p>Bracers or armor +8 - 64k</p><p>Mantle of Faith - 76k</p><p>Stone of luck - 20k</p><p>Iuan stone Lavender/Gre - 40k</p><p>Wand of Barkskin (12th) - 18k</p><p>Ring of Protection +5 - 50k</p><p>Shield (animated,heavy fortification (heavy))+3,</p><p> - 100k</p><p>Tome of Dex +4 - 110k</p><p>Tome of Wis +4 - 110k</p><p>Cloak resistance +5 - 25k</p><p></p><p>AC: 10+8(armor)+5(shield)+1(small)+1(dodge feat)+11(Dex)+8(Wis)+5(deflection)+1(insight)+1(haste)+5(Wand)+4(monk)</p><p> = 60 (55/48)</p><p>DR 5/Evil, 10/Magic</p><p>Immune To criticals and sneak attacks</p><p>Deflect Aroows feat</p><p></p><p>Wheeeeeee.. and he can always go full defensive for an AC of 66 if he just wants to block a corridor or somesuch. Either way.. people gonna have trouble hitting this PONK!</p><p>Try getting your fighters Ac this high</p><p>Try hitting me with your fighter</p><p></p><p>Fort: +12+5+3+1+2 - +23 (Immune to poison,nonmagical diseases)</p><p>Ref : +12+5+11+1+2- +31 (With improved evasion)</p><p>Will: +12+5+8+1+2 - +28 (With slippery mind)</p><p>SR 23</p><p>Immune to all spells below 8th level (50 spell levels total)</p><p></p><p>Magic.. what magic ?</p><p>This guy has a great chance of making any save. Even an Int 33 mage will only have a DC of 32.(With School focus) for his highest DC.</p><p>So the monk saves on a 9,4 or 2 .. and the caster only has a 50% chance of breaking SR. For the mages BEST spell</p><p>Anyone else like those odds ?</p><p></p><p>HP 20d8+ 60 - 150 - respectable.. might wanna trade out 2 ac for 40 hp and +2 on the Fort save by swapping the amulet and iuan stone about. With Ac of 60 you can afford to take anywhere up to 80 more hp for the dropping of on AC and your will save. But I left it twinked to make the point</p><p></p><p>Feats</p><p>Iron Will, Great fortitude,Lightning reflexes</p><p>Weapon focus (unarmed strike),</p><p>Dodge,Weapon finesse, Shield proficiency</p><p></p><p>Attacks</p><p>+29/+29/+29/+24/+19 2d8+3</p><p>Fists are magical,Lawful,adamantine</p><p>Stunning fist DC -28</p><p></p><p>Ok so not a combat freak, but lets detwink a bit as our ac is so abusively high.. we can <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Drop the tome of Dex (+4) and the amulet of wis +6 (get back 146k) and buy an amulet of mightyfists for (97k) and a tome of Dex +2 (55k).</p><p>Swap lightning reflexes to improved critical</p><p>You ac drops by 4 points, new attack routine</p><p></p><p>+32/+32/+32/+27/+22 2d8+9 (19-20*2)</p><p>Firsts are Magical,Lawful,adamantine</p><p>Ac 56</p><p></p><p>Given that a fighter (Str33) might be throwing about an attack routine in the region of +37/+32/+27/+22 d8+3d6+18;your damage is about 1/2 while you have far superior ac and saves. </p><p>Only half the damage ? Well you are twinked out far more defensively than the fighter so it seems balanced.</p><p></p><p>Monks clearly suck as I have just demonstrated.. thank you</p><p></p><p>Majere</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Majere, post: 1476642, member: 13916"] To give hong something 20th level to get his teeth into. Lucky thie invincible ! Halfling monk 20 Point Buy: Str: 12 Dex: 16 Con:14 Wis:16 Int:9 Cha:9 Level 20 : Str: 10 Dex: 23 Con:14 Wis:16 Int:9 Cha:9 Inc Items: Str: 16 Dex: 33 Con:16 Wis:26 Int:9 Cha:9 Wealth: (760k) Gloves of Dexterity (+6)- 36k Periapt of Wisdom (+6) - 36k Iuan Stone (+2Con) - 8k Belt of Strength (+6) - 36k Iuan Stone of ac - 5k Boots of Speed - 12k Bracers or armor +8 - 64k Mantle of Faith - 76k Stone of luck - 20k Iuan stone Lavender/Gre - 40k Wand of Barkskin (12th) - 18k Ring of Protection +5 - 50k Shield (animated,heavy fortification (heavy))+3, - 100k Tome of Dex +4 - 110k Tome of Wis +4 - 110k Cloak resistance +5 - 25k AC: 10+8(armor)+5(shield)+1(small)+1(dodge feat)+11(Dex)+8(Wis)+5(deflection)+1(insight)+1(haste)+5(Wand)+4(monk) = 60 (55/48) DR 5/Evil, 10/Magic Immune To criticals and sneak attacks Deflect Aroows feat Wheeeeeee.. and he can always go full defensive for an AC of 66 if he just wants to block a corridor or somesuch. Either way.. people gonna have trouble hitting this PONK! Try getting your fighters Ac this high Try hitting me with your fighter Fort: +12+5+3+1+2 - +23 (Immune to poison,nonmagical diseases) Ref : +12+5+11+1+2- +31 (With improved evasion) Will: +12+5+8+1+2 - +28 (With slippery mind) SR 23 Immune to all spells below 8th level (50 spell levels total) Magic.. what magic ? This guy has a great chance of making any save. Even an Int 33 mage will only have a DC of 32.(With School focus) for his highest DC. So the monk saves on a 9,4 or 2 .. and the caster only has a 50% chance of breaking SR. For the mages BEST spell Anyone else like those odds ? HP 20d8+ 60 - 150 - respectable.. might wanna trade out 2 ac for 40 hp and +2 on the Fort save by swapping the amulet and iuan stone about. With Ac of 60 you can afford to take anywhere up to 80 more hp for the dropping of on AC and your will save. But I left it twinked to make the point Feats Iron Will, Great fortitude,Lightning reflexes Weapon focus (unarmed strike), Dodge,Weapon finesse, Shield proficiency Attacks +29/+29/+29/+24/+19 2d8+3 Fists are magical,Lawful,adamantine Stunning fist DC -28 Ok so not a combat freak, but lets detwink a bit as our ac is so abusively high.. we can :)Drop the tome of Dex (+4) and the amulet of wis +6 (get back 146k) and buy an amulet of mightyfists for (97k) and a tome of Dex +2 (55k). Swap lightning reflexes to improved critical You ac drops by 4 points, new attack routine +32/+32/+32/+27/+22 2d8+9 (19-20*2) Firsts are Magical,Lawful,adamantine Ac 56 Given that a fighter (Str33) might be throwing about an attack routine in the region of +37/+32/+27/+22 d8+3d6+18;your damage is about 1/2 while you have far superior ac and saves. Only half the damage ? Well you are twinked out far more defensively than the fighter so it seems balanced. Monks clearly suck as I have just demonstrated.. thank you Majere [/QUOTE]
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