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<blockquote data-quote="Majere" data-source="post: 1477408" data-attributes="member: 13916"><p>No, that is your problem hong. </p><p>Its clear that we play the game for very different reasons. </p><p>You play it so that other people turn to you and tell you how great you are, and how kick ass your character is.</p><p></p><p>I play it to spend time with my friends, chill out, and kill crap for fun and exp. Spotlight time is never a consideration when I build a character. Infact I always pick my character last so that I can look at the party and pick a class to give the party good balance.</p><p></p><p>I DO remeber the time I rolled a natural 20 to save vs aging 500 years.I DO remeber the time I manaed to go 5 rounds flanked by two drow rogues while on singe fugure HP and not get hit, even if all I did was survive. </p><p></p><p>Oh Take the monk I built (If you wont allow the shield take out the shield give him a ring of force shield and a tome of dex +% and his AC is unchanged). Apart from the fact a fighter with maxed out STR and starting STR of 18 cant hit him except on a natural 20 where as the monk will hit a maxed out fighter on a 10. Yeah monks suck in combat <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p>The fighter will also have trouble against the stunning first dc of 28</p><p></p><p>Sure the monk might take twice as many hits, but if the enemy cant hit you that is no a problem.</p><p></p><p>As for all those 9th level spells you boasted about. How exactly is the monk doing any worse than the fighter apart from having spell resistance and better saves ?</p><p>And dont say he has less HP, because Ill ask you how you propose to hit a guy with ac 60, SR, High saves, evasion and immunity to all spells below 8th level. His touch Ac is so high even with true strike most casters cant hit him.</p><p></p><p>Monks are the most defensive melee class, and barbarians the most offensive. If you happen to think that the fact all classess dont do the same damage is broken so be it.</p><p></p><p>And please dont spout that stuff about kung-fu movies. When in those movies do you ever see bruce lee kick the ass of someone in full plate and shield with a magical flaming sword who can fly, or kick the ass of a colossal frost worm. </p><p>If anything the movies suggest you can kick the ass of lightly armoured,humanoid, unarmed mooks in a variety of interesting ways, while the enemy somehow fail to hit you for a full 45 minutes. At other times the hero is being sneaky in a ninja type way. And LO.. isnt that what the monk does ?</p><p></p><p>Majere</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Majere, post: 1477408, member: 13916"] No, that is your problem hong. Its clear that we play the game for very different reasons. You play it so that other people turn to you and tell you how great you are, and how kick ass your character is. I play it to spend time with my friends, chill out, and kill crap for fun and exp. Spotlight time is never a consideration when I build a character. Infact I always pick my character last so that I can look at the party and pick a class to give the party good balance. I DO remeber the time I rolled a natural 20 to save vs aging 500 years.I DO remeber the time I manaed to go 5 rounds flanked by two drow rogues while on singe fugure HP and not get hit, even if all I did was survive. Oh Take the monk I built (If you wont allow the shield take out the shield give him a ring of force shield and a tome of dex +% and his AC is unchanged). Apart from the fact a fighter with maxed out STR and starting STR of 18 cant hit him except on a natural 20 where as the monk will hit a maxed out fighter on a 10. Yeah monks suck in combat ;) The fighter will also have trouble against the stunning first dc of 28 Sure the monk might take twice as many hits, but if the enemy cant hit you that is no a problem. As for all those 9th level spells you boasted about. How exactly is the monk doing any worse than the fighter apart from having spell resistance and better saves ? And dont say he has less HP, because Ill ask you how you propose to hit a guy with ac 60, SR, High saves, evasion and immunity to all spells below 8th level. His touch Ac is so high even with true strike most casters cant hit him. Monks are the most defensive melee class, and barbarians the most offensive. If you happen to think that the fact all classess dont do the same damage is broken so be it. And please dont spout that stuff about kung-fu movies. When in those movies do you ever see bruce lee kick the ass of someone in full plate and shield with a magical flaming sword who can fly, or kick the ass of a colossal frost worm. If anything the movies suggest you can kick the ass of lightly armoured,humanoid, unarmed mooks in a variety of interesting ways, while the enemy somehow fail to hit you for a full 45 minutes. At other times the hero is being sneaky in a ninja type way. And LO.. isnt that what the monk does ? Majere [/QUOTE]
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