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Issues with Summon Monster/Summon Nature's Ally (2004 Thread)
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<blockquote data-quote="Gort" data-source="post: 1480263" data-attributes="member: 11239"><p>Hong has made one good point. (ain't I generous?) A two-handed swordsman will outshine any melee character for damage. This is clear. Even before power attack, the 1.5xstr and 2d6 damage will make pretty much anything hurt bad, and bonuses like holy are no-brainers. (I play a fighter in a campaign where every character is evil, and I'd put holy on my sword if I could find a way around the level loss!)</p><p></p><p>So, the monk isn't going to outshine anyone except the bard and rogue for damage. (sneak attack is just too damn unreliable - one minute it's awesome, the next it's worthless) However, I think his defensive powers and his lack of armour go a long way to balancing that out. Of course, I usually play sword and board fighters (currently a tower shielded full plater) so I place a lot of emphasis on who's still standing at the end of a combat. (Leading a party of evil characters kinda means you don't want to go down in combat, let alone be killed - you don't know whether they'll heal, resurrect, or coup-de-grace and loot you!)</p><p></p><p>Things like ray spells spoil everyone's day, unless you're a monk. Ditto grappling. Ditto tripping.</p><p></p><p>But, if you're like Hong, who loves his martial artist and kicking ass naked better than full plated and armed, here's a suggested monk class:</p><p></p><p>Same as the fighter in every way, bar: Drop all armour proficiency. Drop weapon proficiency down to monk list. Give wis bonus to AC and flurry. Sorted.</p><p></p><p>However, for all his defensive powers, I don't think the monk does too little damage. If you want more attack, you'll have to sacrifice something.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gort, post: 1480263, member: 11239"] Hong has made one good point. (ain't I generous?) A two-handed swordsman will outshine any melee character for damage. This is clear. Even before power attack, the 1.5xstr and 2d6 damage will make pretty much anything hurt bad, and bonuses like holy are no-brainers. (I play a fighter in a campaign where every character is evil, and I'd put holy on my sword if I could find a way around the level loss!) So, the monk isn't going to outshine anyone except the bard and rogue for damage. (sneak attack is just too damn unreliable - one minute it's awesome, the next it's worthless) However, I think his defensive powers and his lack of armour go a long way to balancing that out. Of course, I usually play sword and board fighters (currently a tower shielded full plater) so I place a lot of emphasis on who's still standing at the end of a combat. (Leading a party of evil characters kinda means you don't want to go down in combat, let alone be killed - you don't know whether they'll heal, resurrect, or coup-de-grace and loot you!) Things like ray spells spoil everyone's day, unless you're a monk. Ditto grappling. Ditto tripping. But, if you're like Hong, who loves his martial artist and kicking ass naked better than full plated and armed, here's a suggested monk class: Same as the fighter in every way, bar: Drop all armour proficiency. Drop weapon proficiency down to monk list. Give wis bonus to AC and flurry. Sorted. However, for all his defensive powers, I don't think the monk does too little damage. If you want more attack, you'll have to sacrifice something. [/QUOTE]
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