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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Majere" data-source="post: 1480688" data-attributes="member: 13916">"And see, that's the thing: the fights against BBEGs tend to be the ones that capture the imagination, and it's those fights where the monk tends to get shaded most of all. ... The exception might be being able to survive, but past a certain point, that just gets boring."This is Hongs real argumentNOT that monk is unbalancedNOT that monk is unbrokenJUST that monks dont do alot of damage and HONG likes to do alot of damage. Hongs real argument is:"Ooo but I watched this film and it was really cool and this one character he like, kileld everything, on his own, and then he beat up the end badguy and with a really badly dubed voice rescued the girl. I want my D&D character to be just like that."There is nothing wrong with this style of play. It just means hong shouldnt play monks anytime soon because they dont suit his style of play. And Its is wrong to say that this is what monks are ment to do. D&D classess are distinct from anything you may have seen outside of D&D.You going to be pissed off if you just read the dragon lance chronicals, make a wizard called raistlin, and then have to work out why you only got 2hp and 2 spells per day (You gave him low con because everyone knows raistlin is sickly). The fact that your mage is going to die every single encounter is going to piss you off no end, but that doesnt mean there is anything wrong with mage. Its just another example where a player mistakenly brings out of game expectations to the table.Bringing out of game expectations to any game table is a good way to leave that table disappointed. Hong also clearly doesnt play in a game where staying alive is a big deal for his party; his clerics dont heal and his fighters are all out damage freaks. I would find it interesting to know just how many minutes the average hong character lasts. I certainly know in my style of campeign such characters would die in the first encounter or two. However it doesnt mean that monks are broken, just different. And variety is the spice of life and all thatMajere</blockquote>

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