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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7755662" data-attributes="member: 5142">When Paizo created Pathfinder, it was not intended to compete "head-to-head" with 4e D&D. It was intended as a stopgap measure for their survival as a company. If people have now left Pathfinder 1 due to 5e - for whatever their myriad of reasons - then Pathfinder 2 is likely also meant partially as a stopgap for their survival and as a means to evolve their game into a new future. I see them looking to retain the core of the customers they have rather than those they lost. 5e is good, but it is not perfect. I know of a number of groups here in Austria who actively prefer Pathfinder over 5e. They enjoy creating builds, more player decision points, rules mastery, the zero to EPIC! feel,etc. that 5e does not satisfactorily "solve" for them. I don't know if Pathfinder 2 will retain that core audience, but I don't think that it is fair to attribute any hubris to Paizo for creating Pathfinder 2 as WotC made 5e. 5e captured lightning in a bottle, much as WoW did with the MMORPG market. But that does not mean that every successful MMO should be WoW-like just to make a niche for itself. In fact, many games that sought to take WoW on "head-to-head" or referred to as "WoW-killers" often turned out to be duds. The MMO games that persist are often those that sought to establish their own identity. And I think that Paizo likely desires to establish their own brand identity away from D&D such that Pathfinder is not just a "D&D 3.75" brand that perpetually competes with D&D 4E, D&D 5E, or D&D 6E. But obviously their own legacy is intricately tied to D&D, so there is a difficult tight rope they are walking between their desire to preserve the spirit of Pathfinder's D&D roots while also striking into new territory. If it results in Paizo's equivalent of 4e? I'm perfectly okay with that, especially if it generates new revolutionary ideas in the market and possibly leads to Paizo's own equivalent of 5e. But I doubt that Paizo is blinded by hubris. I think that they have genuine love for Pathfinder and the d20 system. I have my own issues with Pathfinder 2. I don't know if I will play it. My gaming group has enough games as it is that we are looking to play. But I also don't know if I will play 5e for reasons other than convenience of what my group may want. There are a lot of us in my gaming group who are dissatisfied with 5e.</blockquote>

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