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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7755745" data-attributes="member: 23751">I define it as it was introduced.&nbsp; A requirement to hit the baseline that the game requires.&nbsp; The expertise feats in 4e fit that bill.&nbsp; The game math was off and they corrected via feats, which was a mistake.&nbsp; Having to take feats to be where you should be without them is a feat tax.&nbsp; Pre-requisites are not a tax.&nbsp; They are a cost.&nbsp; No.&nbsp; It's no different.&nbsp; Sure, you could customize better in PF.&nbsp; That doesn't make these changes a tax.&nbsp; It just means that the rules have changed and the costs are different.&nbsp; I happen to agree with you.&nbsp; I prefer more options outside of the classes.&nbsp; It's one of the reasons that 3e is still my favorite edition of D&amp;D.&nbsp; However, moving the costs around doesn't create a tax.&nbsp; You are not required to take these feats, so no tax exists.Sure, it's a pre-requisite, but it's not a tax.&nbsp; Nobody has to take those feats, especially rangers who have plenty nice ranged feats of their own.&nbsp; Wanting them doesn't make the feats required.&nbsp; I just makes them worth paying for.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7755745, member: 23751"] I define it as it was introduced. A requirement to hit the baseline that the game requires. The expertise feats in 4e fit that bill. The game math was off and they corrected via feats, which was a mistake. Having to take feats to be where you should be without them is a feat tax. Pre-requisites are not a tax. They are a cost. No. It's no different. Sure, you could customize better in PF. That doesn't make these changes a tax. It just means that the rules have changed and the costs are different. I happen to agree with you. I prefer more options outside of the classes. It's one of the reasons that 3e is still my favorite edition of D&D. However, moving the costs around doesn't create a tax. You are not required to take these feats, so no tax exists. Sure, it's a pre-requisite, but it's not a tax. Nobody has to take those feats, especially rangers who have plenty nice ranged feats of their own. Wanting them doesn't make the feats required. I just makes them worth paying for. [/QUOTE]

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