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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 8741971" data-attributes="member: 6877472">I guess it comes down to questions like, "who hated the playtest Sorcerer?" (as an example).  What group of playtesters took the surveys and consistently led WotC to create the PHB Sorcerer?It couldn't be new players, because WotC had made sure new people would have a hard time jumping into 4e after taking down all the online content and the free character build, could it?Was it disgruntled 4e players, wanting to make the new game fail out of spite?  Seems unlikely to me, since they'd want more of what they liked in 4e to survive.Was it 3e players, who were either perfectly happy playing 3e or had moved onto Pathfinder?  If they were happy, why would they?Was it OD&D players, who wouldn't have cared either way, having stuck to their preferred game for over a decade?Honestly, none of these seem likely to me.  But WotC's goal was to get the expatriates and the people who complained loudest about 4e back into the fold, so these are the people who get the blame, rightly or wrongly, until the (never going to happen) day when WotC releases their playtest data.Unless you're one of those people who puts the blame at WotC's feet themselves, wondering if the whole playtest was an exercise to retain hype for a game that's final shape was already far along in development...</blockquote>