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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9678660" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Yes other people need to try to hit him and NOT hit the grappler in the process.&nbsp; That is not easier IMO, in most cases it is actually more difficult.The attack roll is an abstraction that your attack hits the person you are targeting and does not hit anyone or anything else.Let's talk about real life:&nbsp; Imagine I am attacked IRL and I am grappling (wrestling) with the attacker.&nbsp; You see me get attacked from across the street and pull out your .45 to try to shoot the mugger.&nbsp; Is it really easier to hit him then if he was just standing there alone?&nbsp; Now let's consider to chance to hit is a chance to hit the mugger and at the same time NOT hit me who is grappling with him.&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't think it is easier (i.e. advantage), I actually think it is harder (cover or disadvantage) to hit him.Now if we start looking at specific weapons in - you are using a stilleto or a garrot ... ok maybe it is easier to walk up and use that weapon on someone being grappled .... but swinging a maul or shooting a crossbow or musket from 50 feet away it definitely isn't any easier IMO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9678660, member: 7030563"] Yes other people need to try to hit him and NOT hit the grappler in the process. That is not easier IMO, in most cases it is actually more difficult. The attack roll is an abstraction that your attack hits the person you are targeting and does not hit anyone or anything else. Let's talk about real life: Imagine I am attacked IRL and I am grappling (wrestling) with the attacker. You see me get attacked from across the street and pull out your .45 to try to shoot the mugger. Is it really easier to hit him then if he was just standing there alone? Now let's consider to chance to hit is a chance to hit the mugger and at the same time NOT hit me who is grappling with him. I don't think it is easier (i.e. advantage), I actually think it is harder (cover or disadvantage) to hit him. Now if we start looking at specific weapons in - you are using a stilleto or a garrot ... ok maybe it is easier to walk up and use that weapon on someone being grappled .... but swinging a maul or shooting a crossbow or musket from 50 feet away it definitely isn't any easier IMO. [/QUOTE]

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