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It needs to be more of a sandbox than a railroad?
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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 6382716" data-attributes="member: 1210"><p>That's some specific Internet you're looking at, then. There is plenty of support for story-oriented gaming online. As for DMs "trying to appear holier than thou" by badmouthing railroads, are you sure that you aren't just seeing lots of examples of DMs stating their tastes?</p><p></p><p>I'll grant you that some people are very aggressive about their playstyle preferences online, but there's a big difference between "I dm sandboxes and dislike railroads" and "I dm sanboxes and railroads suck in other peoples' games."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First of all, I am pretty far from convinced that "the Internet says that sandboxes are better", much less that ANY DM runs a type of game simply to be "welcomed with open arms" by some unstated crowd of game-approvers or -disapprovers.</p><p></p><p>Moreover, sandbox DMing is a lot more work than story-oriented/railroad DMing. A LOT MORE. Not a little bit, but tons and tons more work. So I suspect that your observation here comes from dealing with specific people who fall into the mold you describe, not from the general gamer population. I could be wrong, of course.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because <strong>there is no point to the game until the pcs make it have one.</strong> What you call "pointless" is all roleplaying. That stuff is fun for many of us. Calling it "pointless" implies that there is a point, a plot, a direction, a "you're supposed to do that". The whole point of a sandbox is that it avoids all that. If you don't enjoy that playstyle- and it seems clear that you really don't- then avoid tables that run sandbox games. Simple answer, problem solved. I don't get why you seem so affronted that many of us do like sandboxes. I do get that you perceive a pro-sandbox bias online, but all I can say about that is to keep looking around and you'll find plenty of story support.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 6382716, member: 1210"] That's some specific Internet you're looking at, then. There is plenty of support for story-oriented gaming online. As for DMs "trying to appear holier than thou" by badmouthing railroads, are you sure that you aren't just seeing lots of examples of DMs stating their tastes? I'll grant you that some people are very aggressive about their playstyle preferences online, but there's a big difference between "I dm sandboxes and dislike railroads" and "I dm sanboxes and railroads suck in other peoples' games." First of all, I am pretty far from convinced that "the Internet says that sandboxes are better", much less that ANY DM runs a type of game simply to be "welcomed with open arms" by some unstated crowd of game-approvers or -disapprovers. Moreover, sandbox DMing is a lot more work than story-oriented/railroad DMing. A LOT MORE. Not a little bit, but tons and tons more work. So I suspect that your observation here comes from dealing with specific people who fall into the mold you describe, not from the general gamer population. I could be wrong, of course. Because [b]there is no point to the game until the pcs make it have one.[/b] What you call "pointless" is all roleplaying. That stuff is fun for many of us. Calling it "pointless" implies that there is a point, a plot, a direction, a "you're supposed to do that". The whole point of a sandbox is that it avoids all that. If you don't enjoy that playstyle- and it seems clear that you really don't- then avoid tables that run sandbox games. Simple answer, problem solved. I don't get why you seem so affronted that many of us do like sandboxes. I do get that you perceive a pro-sandbox bias online, but all I can say about that is to keep looking around and you'll find plenty of story support. [/QUOTE]
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