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It needs to be more of a sandbox than a railroad?
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<blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 6382902" data-attributes="member: 18701"><p>Yep, you called it. I have an inferiority complex. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/blush.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":blush:" title="Blush :blush:" data-shortname=":blush:" /></p><p>Please, that's not the first or second time you've responded in this thread by trying to flip the table and turn it around on the person you are replying to in order to come out on top. Let's not play these games if you want to actually discuss the topic. Otherwise, yer wasting your time and being childish. I simply won't reply to you any further if that continues.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well which is it man? Is it harder to gm or can any half arsed rookie run them?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Granted, that particular experience may have been my first introduction to a sandbox game. I did not realize that, I, as a player, was supposed to tell the DM, as the creator of his world and his adventures, that this is the adventure I want to play in that session. I have no interest in doing that as a player unless I've been playing my PC enough to have goals, and I've gotten familiar with his world and met his NPCs. It goes both ways. A good DM should know when to pick up the reigns and ya know, DM. He kept asking us what we wanted to do, so we just explored his town since we had no clue what to do. That involved me talking to to random NPCs about random "pointless" things.</p><p></p><p>Yes, I find it pointless to talk about things as irrelevant to the game as radishes. I've played with guys that loved going off on a tangent like that in their roleplaying. It's not my place to judge how they like to roleplay. I love roleplaying too. But I'm not interested in having meaningless dialogue with NPCs on a Friday night. I want to roleplay, or listen to others roleplay about content that is beneficial to the game. Just like I don't want to watch an Avengers movie so that I can listen to them for 30 minutes talking about shawarma. Five minutes and it gave me a laugh? Sure. Otherwise, lets move on with the game.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Am I reading that right? You're actually accusing me of making stuff up? Oh hell that's gotta be the funniest thing I've read on here in a long time. You truly live in your own world don't ya? It's like you distort reality so you'll feel better about your own viewpoints. That's great man.</p><p></p><p>I really don't mind giving you the details if you really wanna hear them. If you haven't noticed, I like to type! Heck, it may even be an entertaining story since one of the sandbox games I am referring to involved me playing with another player that we just met for the first time that day, and turned out he just got out of San Quinton after spending 3 years there for burglary.</p><p></p><p>And I'll say it again, pay attention to what I'm saying instead of hitting the reply button so quickly to <em>have at me</em>. Quote me when I said "railroads are better" or let me know why I should give reasons for why railroads are better since I never claimed they were better. </p><p></p><p>Reading comprehension is key when having discussions. I posted this thread because of guys like <strong>you</strong> that are saying sandbox games are better and railroad games are crap. You, are proving my point perfectly. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek! :o" data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" /> I don't think railroad games are any better than sandbox games. What I do think though, is that railroad games are not bad and can be just as good or bad as any sandbox game. It depends on the ability of the DM to make either of them good or bad. So for people to think that making a published adventure a sandbox will make its success hit or miss is nuts as far as I see it (as an experienced DM). I just don't get that logic. So I'm hear to <strong>defend</strong> the railroad adventure. I'm not telling anyone that it's a better style. I'd like to see the myth of "sandbox is better" eventually go away since that opinion seems like nothing more than a bunch of people jumping on the internet bandwagon. It's as if they want to feel like an elitist who think of themselves to be better writers than <em>published authors</em> and <em>better DMs</em> than guys like me.</p><p></p><p>Followed by: </p><p> Heh....ok man....practice what you preach is all I'm gonna say.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oryan77, post: 6382902, member: 18701"] Yep, you called it. I have an inferiority complex. :blush: Please, that's not the first or second time you've responded in this thread by trying to flip the table and turn it around on the person you are replying to in order to come out on top. Let's not play these games if you want to actually discuss the topic. Otherwise, yer wasting your time and being childish. I simply won't reply to you any further if that continues. Well which is it man? Is it harder to gm or can any half arsed rookie run them? Granted, that particular experience may have been my first introduction to a sandbox game. I did not realize that, I, as a player, was supposed to tell the DM, as the creator of his world and his adventures, that this is the adventure I want to play in that session. I have no interest in doing that as a player unless I've been playing my PC enough to have goals, and I've gotten familiar with his world and met his NPCs. It goes both ways. A good DM should know when to pick up the reigns and ya know, DM. He kept asking us what we wanted to do, so we just explored his town since we had no clue what to do. That involved me talking to to random NPCs about random "pointless" things. Yes, I find it pointless to talk about things as irrelevant to the game as radishes. I've played with guys that loved going off on a tangent like that in their roleplaying. It's not my place to judge how they like to roleplay. I love roleplaying too. But I'm not interested in having meaningless dialogue with NPCs on a Friday night. I want to roleplay, or listen to others roleplay about content that is beneficial to the game. Just like I don't want to watch an Avengers movie so that I can listen to them for 30 minutes talking about shawarma. Five minutes and it gave me a laugh? Sure. Otherwise, lets move on with the game. Am I reading that right? You're actually accusing me of making stuff up? Oh hell that's gotta be the funniest thing I've read on here in a long time. You truly live in your own world don't ya? It's like you distort reality so you'll feel better about your own viewpoints. That's great man. I really don't mind giving you the details if you really wanna hear them. If you haven't noticed, I like to type! Heck, it may even be an entertaining story since one of the sandbox games I am referring to involved me playing with another player that we just met for the first time that day, and turned out he just got out of San Quinton after spending 3 years there for burglary. And I'll say it again, pay attention to what I'm saying instead of hitting the reply button so quickly to [I]have at me[/I]. Quote me when I said "railroads are better" or let me know why I should give reasons for why railroads are better since I never claimed they were better. Reading comprehension is key when having discussions. I posted this thread because of guys like [B]you[/B] that are saying sandbox games are better and railroad games are crap. You, are proving my point perfectly. :o I don't think railroad games are any better than sandbox games. What I do think though, is that railroad games are not bad and can be just as good or bad as any sandbox game. It depends on the ability of the DM to make either of them good or bad. So for people to think that making a published adventure a sandbox will make its success hit or miss is nuts as far as I see it (as an experienced DM). I just don't get that logic. So I'm hear to [B]defend[/B] the railroad adventure. I'm not telling anyone that it's a better style. I'd like to see the myth of "sandbox is better" eventually go away since that opinion seems like nothing more than a bunch of people jumping on the internet bandwagon. It's as if they want to feel like an elitist who think of themselves to be better writers than [I]published authors[/I] and [I]better DMs[/I] than guys like me. Followed by: Heh....ok man....practice what you preach is all I'm gonna say. [/QUOTE]
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