Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Itch.io Down Thanks to Funko Pop's "AI"
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 9536354" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>Tastes differ, of course, and professionalism is a broad concept.</p><p></p><p>But generally, if you want to listen to music that will be relevant for decades or centuries, you need quality composers and players who can translate the black squiggles on paper (or computer screens) into something listenable.</p><p></p><p>That requires practice, and lots of it. </p><p></p><p>To be clear, I’m not saying every musician has to have the same skill set. Each genre has its own quirks. Classical musicians often have trouble performing rock, blues or other popular music songs without sounding comedic. (I nearly wrecked a car listening to Pavarotti performing “The Thrill Us Gone” with BB King.)</p><p></p><p>OTOH, it’s probably rare for punk guitarists to play “Malagueña” properly.</p><p></p><p>“Good enough” is a pretty vague standard.</p><p></p><p>I agree that technology has greatly democratized most forms of art. There’s a jeweler I work with who can’t draw to save his life- he <em>needs</em> CAD programs to do his own stuff. Before then, he had to rely on other artists to illustrate his concepts.</p><p></p><p>And discussions similar to the photography ones you mention pop up frequently on the guitar boards I frequent. Most of the veteran players would agree that most listeners wouldn’t notice you missing a note or using the wrong gear, especially if you’re in a covers band.</p><p></p><p>But those same players will also assert that certain people WILL notice mistakes and differing aesthetic choices. And that number increases when it’s the performer doing their own stuff. And they go to great lengths to ensure their gear sounds “right” and their chops are tight.</p><p></p><p>No joke, a front row attendee heckled Adam Lambert <em>during the concert </em>for not doing a Queen song like Freddy Mercury. Lambert responded something along the lines of “Freddy can’t be here, I’m the singer now.” (gaining a grin from Brian May) and continued with the show. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree. But why make life harder for the average musician? </p><p></p><p>Passive income streams are one of many key ways to raise one’s earning power, and royalties are a form of passive income. </p><p></p><p>But a large portion of the general population seem perfectly willing to cut off poverty-level royalty income streams because a high-profile few make millions. That bugs me.</p><p></p><p>Which is why I mentioned lotteries & windfalls, and why financial literacy courses for big payouts. Most people are not financially informed enough to properly invest money.</p><p></p><p>Again, only a little over 800 artists out of literally millions make that kind of money from Spotify.</p><p></p><p>Contrast that with the royalties each member of a newly signed 5-piece band whose debut album goes gold receives receives: they’re still going to qualify for food stamps.</p><p></p><p>100% agreed.</p><p></p><p>I’ll note that the American public educational system has cut a LOT of programs that used to prep kids for becoming functioning members of society, largely because of underfunding. (Some of which is demonstrably malicious.) Home-Ec, Government, Shop/Woodworking, and others from my ancestors’ and my school days are becoming increasingly endangered, and are completely gone from some districts.</p><p></p><p>One (non-financial) example: I was in my regular barber shop (on a busy day) years ago when the topic had turned to that exact discussion: school programs that had been cut. I said that I’d bet every guy over a certain age had been taught a particular song, regardless of where they were from. I started vocalizing the instrumental “Cherry Blossoms”.</p><p></p><p>And every guy over 30 joined in.</p><p></p><p>Nobody younger had a clue.</p><p></p><p>Agreed, to a point. Food & customer service are what keeps a restaurant going for years, decades and more.</p><p></p><p>But if you’re changing ownership, keeping the trademarks and trade dress help you retain your customer base. Changing things during a transitional period can be done, but it definitely makes things more difficult.</p><p></p><p>(Of course, if your customer base is small and/or shrinking, altering the trade dress might be a catalyst for improvement.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 9536354, member: 19675"] Tastes differ, of course, and professionalism is a broad concept. But generally, if you want to listen to music that will be relevant for decades or centuries, you need quality composers and players who can translate the black squiggles on paper (or computer screens) into something listenable. That requires practice, and lots of it. To be clear, I’m not saying every musician has to have the same skill set. Each genre has its own quirks. Classical musicians often have trouble performing rock, blues or other popular music songs without sounding comedic. (I nearly wrecked a car listening to Pavarotti performing “The Thrill Us Gone” with BB King.) OTOH, it’s probably rare for punk guitarists to play “Malagueña” properly. “Good enough” is a pretty vague standard. I agree that technology has greatly democratized most forms of art. There’s a jeweler I work with who can’t draw to save his life- he [I]needs[/I] CAD programs to do his own stuff. Before then, he had to rely on other artists to illustrate his concepts. And discussions similar to the photography ones you mention pop up frequently on the guitar boards I frequent. Most of the veteran players would agree that most listeners wouldn’t notice you missing a note or using the wrong gear, especially if you’re in a covers band. But those same players will also assert that certain people WILL notice mistakes and differing aesthetic choices. And that number increases when it’s the performer doing their own stuff. And they go to great lengths to ensure their gear sounds “right” and their chops are tight. No joke, a front row attendee heckled Adam Lambert [I]during the concert [/I]for not doing a Queen song like Freddy Mercury. Lambert responded something along the lines of “Freddy can’t be here, I’m the singer now.” (gaining a grin from Brian May) and continued with the show. I agree. But why make life harder for the average musician? Passive income streams are one of many key ways to raise one’s earning power, and royalties are a form of passive income. But a large portion of the general population seem perfectly willing to cut off poverty-level royalty income streams because a high-profile few make millions. That bugs me. Which is why I mentioned lotteries & windfalls, and why financial literacy courses for big payouts. Most people are not financially informed enough to properly invest money. Again, only a little over 800 artists out of literally millions make that kind of money from Spotify. Contrast that with the royalties each member of a newly signed 5-piece band whose debut album goes gold receives receives: they’re still going to qualify for food stamps. 100% agreed. I’ll note that the American public educational system has cut a LOT of programs that used to prep kids for becoming functioning members of society, largely because of underfunding. (Some of which is demonstrably malicious.) Home-Ec, Government, Shop/Woodworking, and others from my ancestors’ and my school days are becoming increasingly endangered, and are completely gone from some districts. One (non-financial) example: I was in my regular barber shop (on a busy day) years ago when the topic had turned to that exact discussion: school programs that had been cut. I said that I’d bet every guy over a certain age had been taught a particular song, regardless of where they were from. I started vocalizing the instrumental “Cherry Blossoms”. And every guy over 30 joined in. Nobody younger had a clue. Agreed, to a point. Food & customer service are what keeps a restaurant going for years, decades and more. But if you’re changing ownership, keeping the trademarks and trade dress help you retain your customer base. Changing things during a transitional period can be done, but it definitely makes things more difficult. (Of course, if your customer base is small and/or shrinking, altering the trade dress might be a catalyst for improvement.) [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Itch.io Down Thanks to Funko Pop's "AI"
Top