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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9712940" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Yup. Governments exist <em>above</em> companies for a reason. We are not (yet) a cyberpunk corporation-run dystopia. A lot of people, especially certain billionaires (not just the one) are absolutely pushing incredibly hard to become that, but we're not that. Regulation of companies exists for good reason, as much as countless politicians and too-rich idiots over the last forty years have lied and lied and lied (and continue to do so) that it doesn't and just "stifles business" (something that's trivially and obviously false).</p><p></p><p>And frankly it's past time that Mastercard, Visa, and companies like them were severely regulated. In the EU and UK we already significantly regulate their ability to charge outrageous fees, which, ironically, has actually helped them and increased vendor and consumer acceptance (literally these companies don't even know what's good for them! They're blinded by their own staggering short-term-ist greed and total cowardice), and now they're showing it's time to regulate them to prevent them picking and choosing who they work with on a political or moral basis, or rather, an absolute cowardice basis, in that the moment a tiny group of prats threatens them with "bad press" (despite the fact that this likely wouldn't have even made national news in Australia, let alone anywhere else), they immediately cave.</p><p></p><p>They're too important to how our society functions, and they've forgotten the rule that if you become that important, then you're effectively a public utility, and thus must be strictly regulated and controlled.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Indeed. The activist group (and they're far from the only one - various extremist groups in the US have done the same. The Aussie one is unusual in that it's claiming (rather disingenuously and frankly in bad faith) to be ideologically centre-left yet has viewpoints <em>literally identical</em> to groups which claim to be extreme right-wing and claim religion as the source of their views (also arguably in bad faith) - just showing how pointless such labels can be. The fact is, regardless of whether a group claims Germaine Greer or Yahweh or Jordan Peterson as the source of their opinions, they're all just extremist bigots who want to drive LGBTQ+ people, all human sexuality, and basically anything that wouldn't fit on a US 1950s sitcom (and some stuff that would, even!) from any legal space, regardless of how well-protected it is.</p><p></p><p>And the one of the reason these groups think (perhaps correctly) that they can get away with enforcing their weird extremist morality on the rest of us is the total and abject failure of English-speaking politicians to stand up for trans people in the face of hideous campaigns against them by tiny numbers of extremely loud and well-funded people. It's a classic case of "First they came for..." and in this case it was the trans people. I don't know why our current breeds of politicians are so completely spineless on this, but it's pretty shocking, especially given public opinion is demonstrably not with them, and it's absolutely emboldening groups like this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9712940, member: 18"] Yup. Governments exist [I]above[/I] companies for a reason. We are not (yet) a cyberpunk corporation-run dystopia. A lot of people, especially certain billionaires (not just the one) are absolutely pushing incredibly hard to become that, but we're not that. Regulation of companies exists for good reason, as much as countless politicians and too-rich idiots over the last forty years have lied and lied and lied (and continue to do so) that it doesn't and just "stifles business" (something that's trivially and obviously false). And frankly it's past time that Mastercard, Visa, and companies like them were severely regulated. In the EU and UK we already significantly regulate their ability to charge outrageous fees, which, ironically, has actually helped them and increased vendor and consumer acceptance (literally these companies don't even know what's good for them! They're blinded by their own staggering short-term-ist greed and total cowardice), and now they're showing it's time to regulate them to prevent them picking and choosing who they work with on a political or moral basis, or rather, an absolute cowardice basis, in that the moment a tiny group of prats threatens them with "bad press" (despite the fact that this likely wouldn't have even made national news in Australia, let alone anywhere else), they immediately cave. They're too important to how our society functions, and they've forgotten the rule that if you become that important, then you're effectively a public utility, and thus must be strictly regulated and controlled. Indeed. The activist group (and they're far from the only one - various extremist groups in the US have done the same. The Aussie one is unusual in that it's claiming (rather disingenuously and frankly in bad faith) to be ideologically centre-left yet has viewpoints [I]literally identical[/I] to groups which claim to be extreme right-wing and claim religion as the source of their views (also arguably in bad faith) - just showing how pointless such labels can be. The fact is, regardless of whether a group claims Germaine Greer or Yahweh or Jordan Peterson as the source of their opinions, they're all just extremist bigots who want to drive LGBTQ+ people, all human sexuality, and basically anything that wouldn't fit on a US 1950s sitcom (and some stuff that would, even!) from any legal space, regardless of how well-protected it is. And the one of the reason these groups think (perhaps correctly) that they can get away with enforcing their weird extremist morality on the rest of us is the total and abject failure of English-speaking politicians to stand up for trans people in the face of hideous campaigns against them by tiny numbers of extremely loud and well-funded people. It's a classic case of "First they came for..." and in this case it was the trans people. I don't know why our current breeds of politicians are so completely spineless on this, but it's pretty shocking, especially given public opinion is demonstrably not with them, and it's absolutely emboldening groups like this. [/QUOTE]
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