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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9714887" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>You appear to think these companies are far more rational and wise than they are.</p><p></p><p>They are demonstrably far dimmer and far more short-term-ist than you're suggesting.</p><p></p><p>And you think they're trying to avoid public backlash that would lead to regulation? That's a perfect example of this! What they're doing is the surest, most certain path to further regulation. If you insist on being a part of most transactions in an increasingly digital society, but you decide to pick and choose what is legal to buy, in direct contravention of the laws of the societies involved (and note, what they're doing <em>right now</em> is already illegal under EU so you really need to explain how they're "avoiding regulation" by breaking the law!), then why wouldn't you get regulated?</p><p></p><p>Further, you're right re: monopoly and change fast, which makes these actions even more demented. Especially as they're clearly a knee-jerk reaction to bullying by some Aussie idiots. That's proof positive that this isn't some wise and considered chess movie, this is a coke-addled panic-spasm. Refusing to sell legal things is a great way end up obsoleting yourself, and who is going to replace them? Crypto. Ugh. Even worse.</p><p></p><p>EDIT : Also:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Bro, they literally just created that perception BY THESE VERY ACTIONS. Before, the idea of bunch of Australian nutcases being dissatisfied wouldn't have created that perception. It would just have lead to the usual right-wing grifters grifting those Aussies. But by doing this, and suddenly pissing off and alarming millions of normal people they're showing there really is a large group of dissatisfied customers, and it ain't approximately 1000 Aussie wingnuts, it's millions of Westerners, especially LGBTQ+ people. You can handwring and say "BUT THEYD LOSE GEN Z!!!!", but first off, companies have done dumber things, and second off, by having such vague and extreme restrictions on what they are willing to work with (c.f. Itch.io's list of payment-processor-enforced restrictions today, which are vague and fuzzy as hell) you're ensuring LGBTQ+ stuff is going to be risky to work with, and other stuff like, say, anything Furry or anthro (including stuff like Redwall, potentially), even if mostly not sexual, is potentially banned, or could be at any second. People loathe uncertainty, as do businesses and Visa and Mastercard are manufacturing huge amounts of uncertainty for the sake of these Aussies.</p><p></p><p>TLDR:</p><p></p><p>To put this in Die Hard terms, you're writing as if the credit companies are Hans Gruber:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]412435[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>But they're actually Harry Ellis:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]412434[/ATTACH]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9714887, member: 18"] You appear to think these companies are far more rational and wise than they are. They are demonstrably far dimmer and far more short-term-ist than you're suggesting. And you think they're trying to avoid public backlash that would lead to regulation? That's a perfect example of this! What they're doing is the surest, most certain path to further regulation. If you insist on being a part of most transactions in an increasingly digital society, but you decide to pick and choose what is legal to buy, in direct contravention of the laws of the societies involved (and note, what they're doing [I]right now[/I] is already illegal under EU so you really need to explain how they're "avoiding regulation" by breaking the law!), then why wouldn't you get regulated? Further, you're right re: monopoly and change fast, which makes these actions even more demented. Especially as they're clearly a knee-jerk reaction to bullying by some Aussie idiots. That's proof positive that this isn't some wise and considered chess movie, this is a coke-addled panic-spasm. Refusing to sell legal things is a great way end up obsoleting yourself, and who is going to replace them? Crypto. Ugh. Even worse. EDIT : Also: Bro, they literally just created that perception BY THESE VERY ACTIONS. Before, the idea of bunch of Australian nutcases being dissatisfied wouldn't have created that perception. It would just have lead to the usual right-wing grifters grifting those Aussies. But by doing this, and suddenly pissing off and alarming millions of normal people they're showing there really is a large group of dissatisfied customers, and it ain't approximately 1000 Aussie wingnuts, it's millions of Westerners, especially LGBTQ+ people. You can handwring and say "BUT THEYD LOSE GEN Z!!!!", but first off, companies have done dumber things, and second off, by having such vague and extreme restrictions on what they are willing to work with (c.f. Itch.io's list of payment-processor-enforced restrictions today, which are vague and fuzzy as hell) you're ensuring LGBTQ+ stuff is going to be risky to work with, and other stuff like, say, anything Furry or anthro (including stuff like Redwall, potentially), even if mostly not sexual, is potentially banned, or could be at any second. People loathe uncertainty, as do businesses and Visa and Mastercard are manufacturing huge amounts of uncertainty for the sake of these Aussies. TLDR: To put this in Die Hard terms, you're writing as if the credit companies are Hans Gruber: [ATTACH type="full" width="381px" alt="1753563787787.png"]412435[/ATTACH] But they're actually Harry Ellis: [ATTACH type="full" width="386px" alt="1753563753740.png"]412434[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]
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