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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9714953" data-attributes="member: 18">I'm sure that's true, but that is, with respect, part of the problem. The belief that there's never a clear or obvious answer to a complex problem is not a rational belief, though it is a common one among certain relatively well-educated parts of US society. It's a not a belief that withstands even light analysis. It's an irrational article of faith-type belief.That said, plenty of groups in our society, particularly the traditional media and elements of academia commonly encourage that viewpoint, even when it is manifestly unsupportable, and to be fair to you, there are obviously "clear answers" which are themselves totally false and irrational, even they make emotional sense to a lot of people, which are used to bolster this non-rational belief, this as you put it so rightly "allergy".However, I don't think "comply with jurisdictional laws, don't ignore them in favour of making up your own moral code which pleases literally no-one" is even possibly a "bad" answer/solution. Do you? Especially as no harm whatsoever had come to Visa/Mastercard by doing that, had it?This isn't Solomon carefully tricking the lady so the real mother will be revealed. This is Solomon leaping off his throne and chopping the baby exactly in half before anyone can even react. Everyone is horrified and disgusted.Do you think these changes go far enough to please or defang anyone in the US environment who is concerned about this kind of thing?Because I do not.On the direct contrary, I believe, and I think I absolutely have history on my side here, that this will draw attention to the credit card companies from exactly the people they don't want attention from, and make those people feel empowered to bully the credit card companies further. This is, at best, showing weakness and that they can be persuaded to ignore EU regulations and similar in favour of bullies. This is why I'm saying they have to follow the laws of jurisdictions. Otherwise they follow these Aussie idiots, then the US bullies them, then the EU sues them, and so on.</blockquote>

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