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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9716487" data-attributes="member: 18">We kind of do actually - you can read the merchant agreements on the Mastercard and Visa sites, so we don't have to speculate entirely.I haven't read the Visa one's penalties yet, but the Mastercard ones are basically "nuclear bomb" level. They can:1) Fine you hundreds of thousands of dollars (potentially into the millions it looks like), especially if any at all transactions continue.2) Fine you for previous transactions, even if you had no reason to believe there was anything wrong with them.3) Assign a third-party auditor at your cost (you are not allowed to say no), which could potentially cost an unlimited amount of money given it'd often a be high-end corporate law firm which did this.4) Report you on MATCH Pro, as a dangerous and untrustworthy business, even if they have no proof of that - it's just up to their opinion, meaning even if you survive this, people may not accept transactions from you.This is for violating section 5.12.7 which is definitely the issue given what Itch have said (the equivalent for Visa is 1.3.3.4).The rules really do not look like "Dear sir" anything, and further, the way Itch reacted is also not the way a company reacts to "Dear sir", so I think we can easily rule that out.I don't think that kind of "it could have been going on for months" speculation is helpful when there's absolutely no evidence to support it.What actually seems to have happened is:A) In April CS attempted to harass Itch and Steam directly, but only succeeded in get a small number of games removed.B) In May CS decided to harass MC/Visa and shotgun attempt to just having all sorts of games removed, with no specific targets.So I don't think this has been "going on for months", unless you mean like, maybe June and July? But given the sequence of events and I don't think people would have missed that it was happening, I suspect it's been days.Have you got a link? I've tried looking it up but I'm not seeing anything supporting this claim yet.Also, "knew" in what sense? Because I note that the actual campaign to bother Visa and MC from CS didn't start until quite far through May and May is AFTER April. So what it sounds like your saying is that CS made vague and probably hotheaded and a little bit demented threats to Itch and Steam in April, and when those two companies only two down a few obviously-dodgy games, CS got very upset and decided to target Visa/MC.Because it'd be very different if MC/Visa had warned them in April, but I don't think that happened, because that doesn't work chronologically.</blockquote>

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