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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 2142737" data-attributes="member: 23094"><p>Except that, in many cases, this doesn't really matter.</p><p></p><p>What's the difference between, say, a Belt of Giant Strength +4 at CL 5 and a CL 20?</p><p></p><p>The second one has a better chance of resisting a targeted dispel magic - and that's about it.</p><p></p><p>Is that *really* worth a price increase? How many targeted dispel magics against items have you seen since you started playing D&D 3E? I've seen exactly none.</p><p></p><p>For some items - like, say, Boots of Flying - the caster level matters *slightly* more. When activated, they affect you as if they had cast the flight spell, which lasts for 1 minute per caster level or, in this case, five minutes. You can use them up to three times per day.</p><p></p><p>Thus, Boots of Levitation at a higher caster level (like 10) might be meaningfully more useful.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now, the general formula for a Command activated item is Spell Level * Caster Level * 1,800, and when it has uses per day, that price is divided by (5 / Uses).</p><p></p><p>Using that formula, a "generic" Winged Boots would be 16,200 gp - easily rounded to the 16K present in the DMG.</p><p></p><p>So, what price would the notional "Awesome Winged Boots (CL 10) " have?</p><p></p><p>3 * 10 * 1,800 / (5/3) = 32,400 gp.</p><p></p><p>Here's an item where caster level actually matters - 3 uses at 10 minutes per day is much more useful than 3 uses at 5 minutes per day.</p><p></p><p>Therefore, the cost of the item should change - and, because the cost is based on the formulae presented in the DMG, it does.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 2142737, member: 23094"] Except that, in many cases, this doesn't really matter. What's the difference between, say, a Belt of Giant Strength +4 at CL 5 and a CL 20? The second one has a better chance of resisting a targeted dispel magic - and that's about it. Is that *really* worth a price increase? How many targeted dispel magics against items have you seen since you started playing D&D 3E? I've seen exactly none. For some items - like, say, Boots of Flying - the caster level matters *slightly* more. When activated, they affect you as if they had cast the flight spell, which lasts for 1 minute per caster level or, in this case, five minutes. You can use them up to three times per day. Thus, Boots of Levitation at a higher caster level (like 10) might be meaningfully more useful. Now, the general formula for a Command activated item is Spell Level * Caster Level * 1,800, and when it has uses per day, that price is divided by (5 / Uses). Using that formula, a "generic" Winged Boots would be 16,200 gp - easily rounded to the 16K present in the DMG. So, what price would the notional "Awesome Winged Boots (CL 10) " have? 3 * 10 * 1,800 / (5/3) = 32,400 gp. Here's an item where caster level actually matters - 3 uses at 10 minutes per day is much more useful than 3 uses at 5 minutes per day. Therefore, the cost of the item should change - and, because the cost is based on the formulae presented in the DMG, it does. [/QUOTE]
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