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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1211329" data-attributes="member: 2011">This is not an obviously false statement.There are rules. There are game designer opinions. This is a rules forum, not a game designer opinion forum.I am personally waiting for you to quote rules to back a different interpretation. Stating that item caster level actually means caster level required to cast the spell is, quite frankly, totally lame. If they would have meant minimum caster level for the spell, they would have stated so. There is a caster level listed for the item. It is obvious to anyone who reads this that item caster level is the one listed on the item. You have failed to quote any rule that would support an alternative interpretation (at least so far on this thread).So, if anyone has a "holier than though act", so far I'd have to say it is you. The same criteria that you use when posting elsewhere on the rules forum (i.e. taking the literal or most reasonable interpretation), you are not using here.Post some real rules which disagree with this rule.If you feel like you cannot support your position, then fine. But, you appear to be the one who is degenerating the thread, not anyone else.If you feel like this is not the case, support your position with rules quotes.</blockquote>