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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 1648189" data-attributes="member: 6875">Really?  That's funny, I don't see *any* specific statement of "the caster cannot be supported by the disc", in my PHB.  How so?  When I ride in a car, IT doesn't suddenly start moving vertically ...  Untrue.  It will stay 5' away unless you direct it, yes - but if you direct it to Point X, and then stop concentrating - nothing says the disc will then *cease* to obey it's last directive and move over next to you again.  It's the little "otherwise directed" - nothing says you couldn't "direct" it to stay exactly 50' ahead of you, or whatever.  Picture Johnny-the-newbie-GM.  All of fourteen years old, running a game for his friends from school.  Enter johnny's friend Sarah, who wants her Sorceress to ride her TFD.  Johnny wasn't even *born* by the time 1E went the way of the dodo.  Heck, he might not have been a twinkle in his father's *eye*, by then.  So.  How is Johnny *wrong*, if he looks at the third edition rules, sees *no* ban on such a trick, decides it's not contradicted by the rules?  Simple answer: the only rules that apply as rules in Third Edition, are those which are published for Third Edition.  Now, if you'd brought up the 1E reference as a "well, whent he spell was first around, that wasn't allowed, so I think it's not a good idea to allow it" - that's fine for you.  But that's not what you did; you brought it up as if it were a Rule-with-a-capital-R, that *had* to be followed, and to deviate was a house rule.  Fact is, it's a rule for another game entirely, and using it is a house rule.  And I have a big pet peeve with the "it has not been done in this way before now, so it cannot ever be done so" stuck-in-the-past 1E/2E fanatics out there.  The 1E "Old Guard" generally being the worst of the bunch when it comes to that - folks who're so used to "how it has always been done before" that the mere thought of NOT adhering to the errata, FAQs, and accumulated dead weight rulings of the prior editions gives them hives.  We have new editions of D&D precisely so (ideally at least) we can discard those prior rulings, and make a fresh start.  1E rules don't belong as citations of Rule in a debate on 3E materials.  As citations of past precedent, fine; but not as citations of Rule....Joelmarcus: IMO it would depend on where the ship was.  A river- or lake-bound vessel, I could see; a sea- or ocean-faring vessel, you're right, wave action would NOT make for a happy time trying to, say, scribe a scroll.  The motion of the ship would be far too distracting, IMO, to maintain the proper state of mind for item crafting.  And consider, too, that D&D ships are one TWENTIETH the size of a carrier - at BEST.Now, in terms of fantasy settigns, I can also see crafting on an airship of some sort - it depends on how smooth the ride is, basically.Wagon?  Horse?  Seafaring ship?  Definitely not.Anythign else?  Situational-dependant.  Very situational-dependant.</blockquote>

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