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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tzarevitch" data-source="post: 1283607" data-attributes="member: 1792">I disagree. You are implying that only NPCs can ever get a cost reduction and that makes no sense.   I don't have my DMG in front of me but I don't recall anything that says that that magic item creation table is for DMs only. The tables are there in the book therefore using them is not a house rule. The key is not to permit a reduction unless the restriction is actually real and significant. There is nothing that says it has to be a restriction for the maker or the primary user. Restricted use items DO have a downside and we have seen it come up often in the campaigns that I play in and ones that I run. The downside is that there is a smaller population of people who can use the item. This impacts resale value and operational use.Resale value is impacted in event that you want to get a new item or simply want to be rid of the old item. Depending on the restriction it may be nearly impossible to sell the old item. The key is for the DM to not slavishly follow the prices listed in the book. If a PC makes an ubersword mark 1 worth 200,000gp (before discount) with a restricted use that prevents it from being used by anyone except a follower of a certain deity who also has 13+ Ranks in Knowledge(Religion), who is also a member of the Brotherhood of Eight,  he is going to have a hard time getting much for it when he finds an ubersword mark 2 and wants to free up the cash invested in the first one. As DM I would give the full 30% price reduction for that restriction because he is trading away the ability to get a credible resale value on it later in return for a reduced GP, XP and construction time cost now.Note no merchant in his right mind is going to purchase that sword despite the fact its technical value is 140,000gp because the use restriction is so severe that no one will buy it from him if he is stupid enough to buy it from the PC in the first place. In other words, its actual value for anyone who is not a member of the limited class of people who can use it is the value of a masterwork sword (because that is all it really is to them). The second painful downside to putting a use restriction is that your own party members probably can't use it if you go down. If the wizard put use restrictions on his Staff of Ultimate power and then gets knocked out of the battle, it it possible that no one else can use his staff when the party really needs its Ultimate Power. Tzarevitch</blockquote>

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