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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1570709" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>There goes two of your item slots and a decent amount of money. Even at higher levels there isnt a problem, if you want more powerful spells in it, then you get fewer.</p><p></p><p>Like I said, we never had a problem with it at all. I dont see why there would be one really. Loseing those ring slots often was the biggest cost, and it is a painful one.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For 204k you gained a bonus known spell of 1 - 8. woo. I wouldnt touch this as a sorc, I would much rather go other routes that spend that much money in much more productive ways.</p><p></p><p>That is an incredible chunk of change for something that I see as a nice benefit, but hardly overpowering. Sortof like the rings of wizardry, they suck horribly for the wizard, and are somwhat bearable for sorcs.</p><p></p><p>For the price of those extra 8 known spells I could instead have a ring of wizardry 4, 3, and 2 (ok, so the rings cost 6k more total).</p><p></p><p>would I rather have a few more spells known a day, or be able to cast 18 more spells per day? And this is matching it with an item you have already said is inferior.</p><p></p><p>But, the rings do take up slots. I prefer to compare them without taking that into account because of how much the rings as written sicken my sense of balance <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>If we toss out the, major, restriction above about not being able to gain the extra spells for your highest level possible then you'll probably want the 9th level one again (although, I am not sure why you wouldnt want the 0th at that point). That would put the total cost up to 285k, almost half of the wealth of a high level character, for a benefit that is nice, but definately not worth the sheer amount of gp invested.</p><p></p><p>Anyway though, even at the pearl of power price I think it would be way too high of a price. The rings I mentioned above never showed any problems, maybe they would in other peoples campaigns, but anyone who has a problem with it and wanted me to actually pay attention to them would have to honestly say that they dont think casters are incredibly overpowered at high levels. Since, in that campaign also, the dm had no problem keeping the balance, and easily at that.</p><p></p><p>Take it as you will of course, but if the ring above showed no problems, then charging an incredible amount more to get less should also be no problems in overpowerdness, probably a few in underpowerdness though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1570709, member: 5777"] There goes two of your item slots and a decent amount of money. Even at higher levels there isnt a problem, if you want more powerful spells in it, then you get fewer. Like I said, we never had a problem with it at all. I dont see why there would be one really. Loseing those ring slots often was the biggest cost, and it is a painful one. For 204k you gained a bonus known spell of 1 - 8. woo. I wouldnt touch this as a sorc, I would much rather go other routes that spend that much money in much more productive ways. That is an incredible chunk of change for something that I see as a nice benefit, but hardly overpowering. Sortof like the rings of wizardry, they suck horribly for the wizard, and are somwhat bearable for sorcs. For the price of those extra 8 known spells I could instead have a ring of wizardry 4, 3, and 2 (ok, so the rings cost 6k more total). would I rather have a few more spells known a day, or be able to cast 18 more spells per day? And this is matching it with an item you have already said is inferior. But, the rings do take up slots. I prefer to compare them without taking that into account because of how much the rings as written sicken my sense of balance ;) If we toss out the, major, restriction above about not being able to gain the extra spells for your highest level possible then you'll probably want the 9th level one again (although, I am not sure why you wouldnt want the 0th at that point). That would put the total cost up to 285k, almost half of the wealth of a high level character, for a benefit that is nice, but definately not worth the sheer amount of gp invested. Anyway though, even at the pearl of power price I think it would be way too high of a price. The rings I mentioned above never showed any problems, maybe they would in other peoples campaigns, but anyone who has a problem with it and wanted me to actually pay attention to them would have to honestly say that they dont think casters are incredibly overpowered at high levels. Since, in that campaign also, the dm had no problem keeping the balance, and easily at that. Take it as you will of course, but if the ring above showed no problems, then charging an incredible amount more to get less should also be no problems in overpowerdness, probably a few in underpowerdness though. [/QUOTE]
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