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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DreamChaser" data-source="post: 5025658" data-attributes="member: 1190">These ideas contradict each other (as is often the case with FAQ items). Implements are "weapons" for casters. If AV is correct, then the FAQ is not. If the FAQ is correct then AV is not.It raises the question of why a magical dagger held along with the light shield with a sword and board fighter (or warlord) would not grant it's property but the wand held by a bard would. Or the dagger held by the bard who took Arcane Implement Proficiency to gain dagger as an implement.Or what about the fact that many weapons simply are implements...staffs for example. Technically, a light or heavy blade is always an implement for swordmages everywhere. Why can't my fighter gain the benefit of the short sword he holds with his shield...it is an implement for his swordmage buddy?IMO, treating Implements and Weapons as different from each other when it comes to properties working is a scary and arbitrary ruling that penalizes the martial power source and defenders over the other roles / sources.IMO, the only difference between implements and weapons is the type of power they are used with.My ruling that is (I believe) in line with the RAI:Weapon / Implement = grants bonus to attack and damage when used with a power that has the correct keyword. If a power has the Weapon keyword, you gain the weapon's proficiency bonus. If the power has the implement keyword, you don't. If it has neither keyword, you cannot use a weapon / implement to use the power. In order to gain any benefits from a weapon, implement (attack bonus, damage bonus, property, powers), you must be properly wielding the item. Thus, a swordmage cannot use swordmage implement powers with a glaive held in one hand; a bard cannot use an implement power with a wand held in the hand he uses to hold his shield. A ranger cannot attack with a ranged power using the bow strapped to his back. In all of these cases, the character's don't gain the benefit of any properties, either.There are no other differences between these types of items.DC</blockquote>

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