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<blockquote data-quote="DM2" data-source="post: 1147218" data-attributes="member: 11976">The only way to render someone flat-footed is by beating them on initiative at the beginning of combat and/or being able to act during a surprise round when they aren't able to act.Noone is arguing that if the rogue full attacks someone that is flat footed he only gets one sneak attack.&nbsp; Heck, the rogue can get a surprise round (at the beginning of combat only), sneak attack from range with a bow, win initiative against the foe the next round, and take iterative sneak attacks as well..However, once combat has started, if someone who is or hidden or invisible attacks one of the (no longer flat footed) combatants, that combatant does not become flat footed.&nbsp; He is denied his dex bonus against an effectively (in either case) invisible foe).Therefore, the first attack by the hidden/invis foe is a sneak attack.&nbsp; After that first attack (immediately after it) the previously hidden/invis foe becomes visible, and the combatant is aware of him now.Therefore, the combatant is no longer denied his dex bonus.Someone correct me if the definition of &quot;flat footed&quot; has changed since 3.0, but I don't think it has.DM2</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DM2, post: 1147218, member: 11976"] The only way to render someone flat-footed is by beating them on initiative at the beginning of combat and/or being able to act during a surprise round when they aren't able to act. Noone is arguing that if the rogue full attacks someone that is flat footed he only gets one sneak attack. Heck, the rogue can get a surprise round (at the beginning of combat only), sneak attack from range with a bow, win initiative against the foe the next round, and take iterative sneak attacks as well.. However, once combat has started, if someone who is or hidden or invisible attacks one of the (no longer flat footed) combatants, that combatant does not become flat footed. He is denied his dex bonus against an effectively (in either case) invisible foe). Therefore, the first attack by the hidden/invis foe is a sneak attack. After that first attack (immediately after it) the previously hidden/invis foe becomes visible, and the combatant is aware of him now. Therefore, the combatant is no longer denied his dex bonus. Someone correct me if the definition of "flat footed" has changed since 3.0, but I don't think it has. DM2 [/QUOTE]

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