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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7773677" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>I'm not sure I see a meaningful distinction.</p><p></p><p> I don't know what ideologies you consider outdated in this context - RPG players in the initial fad tended to be quite young, and often on the counter-cultural side of the aisle, it felt a lot /more/ open & accepting of differences to me, at the time, than it sounds on the internet, today (though, I'm guessing that's just the net, because at the FLGS, it's very open, indeed).</p><p></p><p>(Then again, I've lived my whole life in the SF Bay Area...)</p><p></p><p>Ultimately, though, I find the spirit surrounding D&D /more/ like it was in the fad years than just, say, 10 years ago. In the 90s, RPGs got very niche, in the 00s there was a sort of mini-come-back or resurgence with d20, but it was very different in feel, it was more oriented on players, system mastery, and the resistance to it was from very insular groups. </p><p></p><p>In the 80s/today, D&D was/is in the news, new players were/are plentiful, and the DM was/is the center of the game's dynamics.</p><p></p><p> None of the things you mention are new to me. D&D as a therapy tool? Happened in the 80s. Storytelling & narrative reward? Bigger in the 90s than the 80s, but not new, today. Open venues? I don't see how you could run a game in loud club, and bars in the 80s tended to be smoke-filled (and gamers too young for them) - but we were running them at Denny's back in the day. ;P</p><p></p><p></p><p>I thought you were going to go on about people watching streaming RPG sessions, which is newish (c2009?) - that I'll grant you. D&D as a spectator sport is a new thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7773677, member: 996"] I'm not sure I see a meaningful distinction. I don't know what ideologies you consider outdated in this context - RPG players in the initial fad tended to be quite young, and often on the counter-cultural side of the aisle, it felt a lot /more/ open & accepting of differences to me, at the time, than it sounds on the internet, today (though, I'm guessing that's just the net, because at the FLGS, it's very open, indeed). (Then again, I've lived my whole life in the SF Bay Area...) Ultimately, though, I find the spirit surrounding D&D /more/ like it was in the fad years than just, say, 10 years ago. In the 90s, RPGs got very niche, in the 00s there was a sort of mini-come-back or resurgence with d20, but it was very different in feel, it was more oriented on players, system mastery, and the resistance to it was from very insular groups. In the 80s/today, D&D was/is in the news, new players were/are plentiful, and the DM was/is the center of the game's dynamics. None of the things you mention are new to me. D&D as a therapy tool? Happened in the 80s. Storytelling & narrative reward? Bigger in the 90s than the 80s, but not new, today. Open venues? I don't see how you could run a game in loud club, and bars in the 80s tended to be smoke-filled (and gamers too young for them) - but we were running them at Denny's back in the day. ;P I thought you were going to go on about people watching streaming RPG sessions, which is newish (c2009?) - that I'll grant you. D&D as a spectator sport is a new thing. [/QUOTE]
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