Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
It's a trap! Builds that seem good, but...
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5642495" data-attributes="member: 35909"><p>The 'problem" with Vital Strike, IMO, is that it's a fallback option. It's the feat to use when conditions aren't ideal (full attacking or charging) to...suck less. It reminds me ALOT of the 3E feat Close Quarters Fighting. In case you don't know, CQF feat let you get an AoO on someone trying to grapple you. Even if they had Imp. Grab/Grapple. And if they did have that and you hit, you got to add your damage to your opposed grapple check. It was really really handy. Because if you're an archer, 2H weapon user, mage, or TWF...being grappled is bad. But I've never seen anyone take it, and I myself have never taken it. I always <em>wanted</em> to take it, but there was always some other feat that was better or that boosted my "when things go right" combat schtick, and I ended up passing up on it.</p><p></p><p>Because, ultimately, fall back options aren't sexy. And a lot of people choose feats based on the sexy. Say I could use my feat to take VS or Shield Slam. The latter gives me an OMG so badass punt ability when I hit someone. Is it essential to my build? Hell no! But it's really cool and I can do my normal schtick without disruption and benefit from it. The former actually could prove very important if things go south (what if I get slowed and only have a standard attack each turn?). But its boring. Really boring. And it completely messes up my schtick if I want to use it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Just my view of why VS is underappreciated and underused.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5642495, member: 35909"] The 'problem" with Vital Strike, IMO, is that it's a fallback option. It's the feat to use when conditions aren't ideal (full attacking or charging) to...suck less. It reminds me ALOT of the 3E feat Close Quarters Fighting. In case you don't know, CQF feat let you get an AoO on someone trying to grapple you. Even if they had Imp. Grab/Grapple. And if they did have that and you hit, you got to add your damage to your opposed grapple check. It was really really handy. Because if you're an archer, 2H weapon user, mage, or TWF...being grappled is bad. But I've never seen anyone take it, and I myself have never taken it. I always [i]wanted[/i] to take it, but there was always some other feat that was better or that boosted my "when things go right" combat schtick, and I ended up passing up on it. Because, ultimately, fall back options aren't sexy. And a lot of people choose feats based on the sexy. Say I could use my feat to take VS or Shield Slam. The latter gives me an OMG so badass punt ability when I hit someone. Is it essential to my build? Hell no! But it's really cool and I can do my normal schtick without disruption and benefit from it. The former actually could prove very important if things go south (what if I get slowed and only have a standard attack each turn?). But its boring. Really boring. And it completely messes up my schtick if I want to use it. Just my view of why VS is underappreciated and underused. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
It's a trap! Builds that seem good, but...
Top