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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1635307" data-attributes="member: 1656">Right.  The +1d6 electricity is damage dealt by the whip.  If I weren't attacking with the whip, that damage would not occur.But damage dealt by a whip can't hurt someone with an armor bonus.  As damage dealt by a whip, the +1d6 electricity can't hurt someone with an armor bonus.Nifft's argument is also logical, but it requires drawing an analogy - the whip deals no damage as if it completely failed to penetrate DR - which isn't actually explicitly laid out.Ahh <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Now, that's the point where my argument faltered last time I had this conversation.Intuitively, I'd say the shocking damage is lethal.But following the same line of argument that leads me to say that the shocking damage is repelled by the armor bonus, I'm forced to say the shocking damage is non-lethal, because "a whip deals non-lethal damage".Somehow, then, I have to make things fit in my head so I can say that "A whip deals non-lethal damage" and "A whip deals no damage" are somehow interpreted in two different contexts.And that's the bit I'm having trouble with <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />I'm agreeing with you there.  I've seen someone argue that the weapon is Brilliant Energy, but the Electricity isn't, so the 1d6 still affects the construct, and that the weapon is Ghost Touch, but the Electricity isn't, so the 1d6 still suffers the 50% miss chance against the spectre.I don't agree with either of those.-Hyp.</blockquote>

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