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<blockquote data-quote="AdmundfortGeographer" data-source="post: 4897314" data-attributes="member: 4682"><p>I don't think The Black fits as Shadowfell beyond the association with shadows cast from light. The Gray is associated with undeath, is accessible in magnitudes greater degrees than The Black, has countless beings that inhabit it (the souls of the departed). The Black in inhabited by nothing except by those Green Age halflings imprisoned there, there is no light there . . . not just shades of gray . . . NO light. Except for some wisps of filaments, there is no matter in The Black either.</p><p></p><p>Far better to reinterpret 4e Shadowfell as we know it in ways that can work as The Gray as we know it.</p><p></p><p>There are too numerous ways to slide Feywild into an Athas that can not violate the feel of Athas. For instance, while Lynn Abbey's novels have been decried as not pure canon, we have in her stories an example of a protected druid grove, where the protagonist walks deeper and deeper into the Athasian druid grove and find himself in a cooler, wetter locale with a different colored (yellow) sun. Could we say this was another plane? Feywild maybe? Maybe Feywild is there, tremendously cut off in every way but from a few hidden/protected druid groves.</p><p></p><p>Maybe Feywild's inhabitants are cutting all connections with the Athasian prime because the Athasian material world is a far harsher world than the Feywild inhabitants can tolerate. Except for druids, who protect the remaining entrances to the Feywild, all Athasian creatures who enter Feywild are attacked on sight to be pushed back into the material world. Druids use Feywild as an eternal "image" from which they reintroduce Green Age fertility to the blasted wastes of Athas slowly but surely.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure if this is reasonable, because it would bring up all sorts of other cosmological problems, such as what was the Feywild always a mirror of Green Age Athasian life . . . even during the Blue Age Athas when halflings were the creator species on an ocean planet, living in floating cities shaped out of living coral?</p><p></p><p>Hopefully, the re-designers of Dark Sun have contemplated how the Athasian planes are affected as the entire planet and sun underwent climatological changes . . . hmm.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AdmundfortGeographer, post: 4897314, member: 4682"] I don't think The Black fits as Shadowfell beyond the association with shadows cast from light. The Gray is associated with undeath, is accessible in magnitudes greater degrees than The Black, has countless beings that inhabit it (the souls of the departed). The Black in inhabited by nothing except by those Green Age halflings imprisoned there, there is no light there . . . not just shades of gray . . . NO light. Except for some wisps of filaments, there is no matter in The Black either. Far better to reinterpret 4e Shadowfell as we know it in ways that can work as The Gray as we know it. There are too numerous ways to slide Feywild into an Athas that can not violate the feel of Athas. For instance, while Lynn Abbey's novels have been decried as not pure canon, we have in her stories an example of a protected druid grove, where the protagonist walks deeper and deeper into the Athasian druid grove and find himself in a cooler, wetter locale with a different colored (yellow) sun. Could we say this was another plane? Feywild maybe? Maybe Feywild is there, tremendously cut off in every way but from a few hidden/protected druid groves. Maybe Feywild's inhabitants are cutting all connections with the Athasian prime because the Athasian material world is a far harsher world than the Feywild inhabitants can tolerate. Except for druids, who protect the remaining entrances to the Feywild, all Athasian creatures who enter Feywild are attacked on sight to be pushed back into the material world. Druids use Feywild as an eternal "image" from which they reintroduce Green Age fertility to the blasted wastes of Athas slowly but surely. I'm not sure if this is reasonable, because it would bring up all sorts of other cosmological problems, such as what was the Feywild always a mirror of Green Age Athasian life . . . even during the Blue Age Athas when halflings were the creator species on an ocean planet, living in floating cities shaped out of living coral? Hopefully, the re-designers of Dark Sun have contemplated how the Athasian planes are affected as the entire planet and sun underwent climatological changes . . . hmm. [/QUOTE]
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