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<blockquote data-quote="Steel_Wind" data-source="post: 5184840" data-attributes="member: 20741"><p>Never in the history of 1 hour drama was a show so thoroughly and utterly screwed up by the writers of the show. The acting was fine, the budgets were fine and the effects and production values for one hour drama were high quality.</p><p></p><p> The writers and the series creator were shown to be third rate hacks who just got lucky with the first season. They weren’t comic writers and didn’t understand the problems they set themselves up for from the get go. Given what the writers had done with the first season, I don’t think there ever was a place to go with the show that would have worked. </p><p></p><p> Tim Kring was not a man who understood comic books – never claimed to - and the writers he engaged in the series did not understand them either. </p><p></p><p> By the time the first season was over, the writers had already painted themselves into a corner from the very first show. Peter was too powerful, so that the only way to balance Peter Petrelli’s power was through super stupidity. Once you go there with your protagonist, you cannot but antagonize your fans.</p><p></p><p> Sylar was a great villain, but the flip-flop madness that was the third season never made sense. He was the best thing about the show – but they never moved beyond him.</p><p></p><p> Hiro was always too powerful. They “solved” this problem with increasingly unlikely plot devices. It was always gong to end in tears. The Hiro we wanted to see the most of was the one they only showed us twice: Future Hiro from the first season.</p><p></p><p> In retrospect, the second season actually wasn’t all that bad. It wasn’t as good as the first and suffered from the writer’s strike. But as it turned out, it actually was the second best of the seasons. The third season was the spike in the coffin. Incompetence. Sheer incompetence. </p><p></p><p> A few lessons to be learned:</p><p></p><p> 1 – Don’t let people who don’t understand comic books develop super hero shows. </p><p> 2- The origin story of all superheroes is the interesting part. After that, it’s increasingly downhill. If you don’t plan for this well ahead of time, you’re screwed.</p><p></p><p> I was a faithful viewer of every episode until the death of Nathan in season 4. It wasn’t even that I liked Nathan that much. I just sensed at that time that was the place to let the show go. It was the series’ natural ending.</p><p></p><p> A shame really. But – make no mistake. Tim Kring discovered not by talent but by accident and was utterly unable to find it again. The fault is 100% his. NBC gave <em>Heroes</em> just about every opportunity for a high profile show that there was. And Tim Kring utterly squandered it -- from the very beginning.</p><p> </p><p> <o></p><p></o></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steel_Wind, post: 5184840, member: 20741"] Never in the history of 1 hour drama was a show so thoroughly and utterly screwed up by the writers of the show. The acting was fine, the budgets were fine and the effects and production values for one hour drama were high quality. The writers and the series creator were shown to be third rate hacks who just got lucky with the first season. They weren’t comic writers and didn’t understand the problems they set themselves up for from the get go. Given what the writers had done with the first season, I don’t think there ever was a place to go with the show that would have worked. Tim Kring was not a man who understood comic books – never claimed to - and the writers he engaged in the series did not understand them either. By the time the first season was over, the writers had already painted themselves into a corner from the very first show. Peter was too powerful, so that the only way to balance Peter Petrelli’s power was through super stupidity. Once you go there with your protagonist, you cannot but antagonize your fans. Sylar was a great villain, but the flip-flop madness that was the third season never made sense. He was the best thing about the show – but they never moved beyond him. Hiro was always too powerful. They “solved” this problem with increasingly unlikely plot devices. It was always gong to end in tears. The Hiro we wanted to see the most of was the one they only showed us twice: Future Hiro from the first season. In retrospect, the second season actually wasn’t all that bad. It wasn’t as good as the first and suffered from the writer’s strike. But as it turned out, it actually was the second best of the seasons. The third season was the spike in the coffin. Incompetence. Sheer incompetence. A few lessons to be learned: 1 – Don’t let people who don’t understand comic books develop super hero shows. 2- The origin story of all superheroes is the interesting part. After that, it’s increasingly downhill. If you don’t plan for this well ahead of time, you’re screwed. I was a faithful viewer of every episode until the death of Nathan in season 4. It wasn’t even that I liked Nathan that much. I just sensed at that time that was the place to let the show go. It was the series’ natural ending. A shame really. But – make no mistake. Tim Kring discovered not by talent but by accident and was utterly unable to find it again. The fault is 100% his. NBC gave [I]Heroes[/I] just about every opportunity for a high profile show that there was. And Tim Kring utterly squandered it -- from the very beginning. <o> </o> [/QUOTE]
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