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<blockquote data-quote="Harr" data-source="post: 4785919" data-attributes="member: 47190">What I find vexing is the amount of people here that are completely unconcerned with playing the game, how to get better at playing the game, but fascinated with running circles around academic and rhetorical theories about the validity of opinions and stances.For example? I post in a thread where a guy is geniunely asking for help on how to improve his game. I post many details, guidances, tips, etc that I think will actually and practically help this guy. Among those things I post, I include an explanatory passage where I say I don't do any &quot;roleplaying&quot; even though I play 4e because my players think it's silly, and I like the boardgaming aspect of the game more.What do you think happens? A nice discussion of what the various tips and details of my game imply and how the might or might not improve somebody else's game? Heavens, no... I am immediately dunked in a splice-thread line-by-line rebuttal of how what I do IS actually &quot;roleplaying&quot;, and the definition of what &quot;roleplaying&quot; is. Never mind the OP and helping him; never mind the topic of the thread. Clearly my saying that I don't roleplay is bigger than any of that; it MUST be stamped out.This is something that happens time and time and time again around here. I originally arrived in these forums thinking something like &quot;Wow, a bunch of people who game and who help each other learn how to game better&quot;, now it's more like &quot;Lets argue about who really roleplays and who doesn't, and then about whether WotC is evil or not&quot;.(Edit -&gt; And don't even get me started on the whole &quot;Help, my 4e combats grind&quot; ---&gt; &quot;No they don't! What grind? I dont see any grind. The solution is that your combats don't actually grind,&quot; thing.)But eh, of course everybody's entitled to say what they want, I'm noone to stop them from doing so, it just gets a little.. vexing sometimes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Harr, post: 4785919, member: 47190"] What I find vexing is the amount of people here that are completely unconcerned with playing the game, how to get better at playing the game, but fascinated with running circles around academic and rhetorical theories about the validity of opinions and stances. For example? I post in a thread where a guy is geniunely asking for help on how to improve his game. I post many details, guidances, tips, etc that I think will actually and practically help this guy. Among those things I post, I include an explanatory passage where I say I don't do any "roleplaying" even though I play 4e because my players think it's silly, and I like the boardgaming aspect of the game more. What do you think happens? A nice discussion of what the various tips and details of my game imply and how the might or might not improve somebody else's game? Heavens, no... I am immediately dunked in a splice-thread line-by-line rebuttal of how what I do IS actually "roleplaying", and the definition of what "roleplaying" is. Never mind the OP and helping him; never mind the topic of the thread. Clearly my saying that I don't roleplay is bigger than any of that; it MUST be stamped out. This is something that happens time and time and time again around here. I originally arrived in these forums thinking something like "Wow, a bunch of people who game and who help each other learn how to game better", now it's more like "Lets argue about who really roleplays and who doesn't, and then about whether WotC is evil or not". (Edit -> And don't even get me started on the whole "Help, my 4e combats grind" ---> "No they don't! What grind? I dont see any grind. The solution is that your combats don't actually grind," thing.) But eh, of course everybody's entitled to say what they want, I'm noone to stop them from doing so, it just gets a little.. vexing sometimes. [/QUOTE]

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