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<blockquote data-quote="Ace" data-source="post: 319425" data-attributes="member: 944">YMMV I guess. I find D&amp;D much more fun when it isn't taken seriously at all. Maybe it is just our group but we don't find the D&amp;D system very good for immersive roleplaying.&nbsp;Because of the structure of the rules and the &quot;power up&quot; design of the game it leads to a style of play that is rather like a video game. Thats isn't a bad thing really.&nbsp; We get together every couple of weeks, hack and slash our way to fortune and glory.If the OOC chatter goes on-- So what? Its only a game.Let me add though that I don't mean this as system snobbery.&nbsp; D&amp;D can lead to very immersive gaming, it is more an issue of the expectations of the players. The players expect D&amp;D to be well Hack and Slash. I have changed the expectations of the players and tweaked my running style with mixed results. Running it like I would GURPS was a flop, the system didn't support a gritty style (this was just after 3e came out) but running it as a humor game worked great.If your group can get into the &quot;serious mindset&quot; great but I know my group on the whole can't.&nbsp;After a while serious attempts at RP are forced&nbsp; out by OOC media references, bad roleplaying and general silliness you are left with a choice. Go with the flow and have some fun or go do something else.Reliable new players are scarce even for 3e around here so I decided since on the whole it is more fun to hang out with gaming buddies than not Since most of the limited play base wants to play 3e we put up with it and just play the game.My revenge. I am playing a pure cheese Sorcerer of the flying, invisible, fireball, magic missle, protection from arrows, soon to be&nbsp; stoneskin variety in a low magic world. I have always wanted to do that anyway and now I have an excuse.Next few levels-- Wand of fireballs Cloak of major protection and boot of flying heheheh.AH64 Sorcerer attack copter here we come</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ace, post: 319425, member: 944"] YMMV I guess. I find D&D much more fun when it isn't taken seriously at all. Maybe it is just our group but we don't find the D&D system very good for immersive roleplaying. Because of the structure of the rules and the "power up" design of the game it leads to a style of play that is rather like a video game. Thats isn't a bad thing really. We get together every couple of weeks, hack and slash our way to fortune and glory. If the OOC chatter goes on-- So what? Its only a game. Let me add though that I don't mean this as system snobbery. D&D can lead to very immersive gaming, it is more an issue of the expectations of the players. The players expect D&D to be well Hack and Slash. I have changed the expectations of the players and tweaked my running style with mixed results. Running it like I would GURPS was a flop, the system didn't support a gritty style (this was just after 3e came out) but running it as a humor game worked great. If your [U]group[/U] can get into the "serious mindset" great but I know my group on the whole can't. After a while serious attempts at RP are forced out by OOC media references, bad roleplaying and general silliness you are left with a choice. Go with the flow and have some fun or go do something else. Reliable new players are scarce even for 3e around here so I decided since on the whole it is more fun to hang out with gaming buddies than not Since most of the limited play base wants to play 3e we put up with it and just play the game. My revenge. I am playing a pure cheese Sorcerer of the flying, invisible, fireball, magic missle, protection from arrows, soon to be stoneskin variety in a low magic world. I have always wanted to do that anyway and now I have an excuse. Next few levels-- Wand of fireballs Cloak of major protection and boot of flying heheheh. AH64 Sorcerer attack copter here we come [/QUOTE]

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