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<blockquote data-quote="wingsandsword" data-source="post: 5690375" data-attributes="member: 14159">Well, gee, that's why I forked the thread: that this was a discussion topic that was related (when the players think the game is working under a specific ruleset, and it isn't) and could be brought up by the issue of hidden rules, but not exactly that issue I created a new thread referencing the old one.&nbsp; If I thought it was an exact fit I would have posted it in that thread.In your e-mail example, you use if the task resolution was with WoD or GURPS as an example of rules-hidden.&nbsp; What if it was play by e-mail and there were no real rules, but the players thought there were, but the GM was just making it all up by fiat?&nbsp; From the player perspective it's the same experience, but it become functionally the same thing as what I experienced.&nbsp; Since the GM was too obvious about her railroading, it became clear that the dice and rulebooks were entirely for show, but if she was subtle about it, it could have been much more like what you were describing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wingsandsword, post: 5690375, member: 14159"] Well, gee, that's why I forked the thread: that this was a discussion topic that was related (when the players think the game is working under a specific ruleset, and it isn't) and could be brought up by the issue of hidden rules, but not exactly that issue I created a new thread referencing the old one. If I thought it was an exact fit I would have posted it in that thread. In your e-mail example, you use if the task resolution was with WoD or GURPS as an example of rules-hidden. What if it was play by e-mail and there were no real rules, but the players thought there were, but the GM was just making it all up by fiat? From the player perspective it's the same experience, but it become functionally the same thing as what I experienced. Since the GM was too obvious about her railroading, it became clear that the dice and rulebooks were entirely for show, but if she was subtle about it, it could have been much more like what you were describing. [/QUOTE]

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