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Message: <blockquote data-quote="cbwjm" data-source="post: 8120774" data-attributes="member: 6788732"><p>I think ranger would be worth keeping, maybe a name change would be good. They can be a spell-using wilderness warrior as a counterpart to the paladin (I still think we need an arcane counterpart) allowing a lot more archetypes that don't have the ranger baggage attached to them. You could throw in the warden and seeker from 4e, maybe some sort of shaman subclass. Most/All of the current subclasses could stay with the wilderness warrior, some might move across to other base classes such as the hunter becoming a fighter or barbarian subclass.</p></blockquote><p></p>