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<blockquote data-quote="Dingo333" data-source="post: 5541726" data-attributes="member: 6672910"><p>So this has been bugging me since I posted a question on the dragon bloodline claws.</p><p></p><p>Do I have natural attacks or not?</p><p></p><p>This will actually be a number of questions on the subject of natural attacks, feel free to address all, some, or none of them as you wish.</p><p></p><p>My first question: Do I have natural attacks?</p><p>If you are fighting tooth and nail for your life (and when do adventurers do that) could you really be fighting with your teeth and nails. Joe Shmoe is walking down the trail as a band of goblins jump out at him, couple rounds later, he has killed 2 with his longsword, when he is whipped around and disarmed by the goblin leader. What does he do now, claw bite, punch, slam, his way out? Biting a goblin wouldn't be my first choice in combat (I would go for the great sword personally) but can I if I need to? I have a mouth, and my food says it hurts when I chew it, why can't I do the same to the goblins?</p><p></p><p>My second question: Am I proficient with my bite, claw, slam, whatever else I can muster?</p><p>At first glance, I bet a lot of people can give me an answer, Improved unarmed strike. Woot, I can punch (and possibly kick) but what if I am not trained to the monk arts? What if all I can do is slam my opponent? On another note, if I get a natural attack somehow (spells, powers, that kinda stuff) am I suddenly proficent in their use? My barbarian takes the lesser beast totem power, I now have legit claws, am I proficent now? Why wasn't I before? The druid weapons and armor proficency section lists natural attacks as something I am proficent in while transformed with wild shape, so I can use them out of wild shape, I am just not profient?</p><p></p><p>My third question: If that angel over there can choose slam or sword, why can't I?</p><p>Obvious answer is sword will be better 9.999/10 times, but it lends power to my argument, I have a slam attack, but my sword is better (question 1). Many outsiders can choose slam or manufactured weapon, but it doesn't say that all outsiders gain this, just that they are proficient with all simple and martial weapons.</p><p></p><p>These thoughts have been pestering me since I posted a seperate question on the sorcerer, and I am looking for oppinions on this topic.</p><p>Thanks for the thoughts</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dingo333, post: 5541726, member: 6672910"] So this has been bugging me since I posted a question on the dragon bloodline claws. Do I have natural attacks or not? This will actually be a number of questions on the subject of natural attacks, feel free to address all, some, or none of them as you wish. My first question: Do I have natural attacks? If you are fighting tooth and nail for your life (and when do adventurers do that) could you really be fighting with your teeth and nails. Joe Shmoe is walking down the trail as a band of goblins jump out at him, couple rounds later, he has killed 2 with his longsword, when he is whipped around and disarmed by the goblin leader. What does he do now, claw bite, punch, slam, his way out? Biting a goblin wouldn't be my first choice in combat (I would go for the great sword personally) but can I if I need to? I have a mouth, and my food says it hurts when I chew it, why can't I do the same to the goblins? My second question: Am I proficient with my bite, claw, slam, whatever else I can muster? At first glance, I bet a lot of people can give me an answer, Improved unarmed strike. Woot, I can punch (and possibly kick) but what if I am not trained to the monk arts? What if all I can do is slam my opponent? On another note, if I get a natural attack somehow (spells, powers, that kinda stuff) am I suddenly proficent in their use? My barbarian takes the lesser beast totem power, I now have legit claws, am I proficent now? Why wasn't I before? The druid weapons and armor proficency section lists natural attacks as something I am proficent in while transformed with wild shape, so I can use them out of wild shape, I am just not profient? My third question: If that angel over there can choose slam or sword, why can't I? Obvious answer is sword will be better 9.999/10 times, but it lends power to my argument, I have a slam attack, but my sword is better (question 1). Many outsiders can choose slam or manufactured weapon, but it doesn't say that all outsiders gain this, just that they are proficient with all simple and martial weapons. These thoughts have been pestering me since I posted a seperate question on the sorcerer, and I am looking for oppinions on this topic. Thanks for the thoughts [/QUOTE]
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