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<blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 5541780" data-attributes="member: 95493"><p>Okay breaking it down.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I assume you mean the Draconic Bloodline from Sorcerer, where at first level you get claws.</p><p></p><p>As per the ability, you can grow them as a free action and have a claw attack. You are proficient with these, as you don't take penalties in their use.</p><p></p><p>Here I'm assuming you are asking about a standard race without "claws". Typically speaking NO you don't. You can make an unarmed strike, the same as anyone but generally this is a bad (or at least subpar) idea. Not having the Improved Unarmed Strike means you are provoking attacks of opportunity with your fists.</p><p></p><p>Will do. For the following answers I'm going to assume "you" are a human fighter with no relevant feats or abilities which give you natural attacks, no abilities such as the one granted from sorcerer for claws.</p><p></p><p>As I already said, no you don't start with natural attacks unless it is granted by some source. Several monsters have a slam attack but you don't come with one. Also unless provided by race you don't have natural weapons like claws, a bite attack, a tail attack, wing attacks, etc.</p><p></p><p>So, Joe Shmoe is disarmed, he can try and unarmed strike but without the improved unarmed strike feat he is receiving attacks of opportunity. With the feat he doesn't. Either way he is only able to deal 1d3 damage with his hands.</p><p></p><p>Sidenote: as far as I'm aware unarmed strikes (monk or not) can still be any part of your body capable of producing a blow, not just your fists.</p><p></p><p>Again, you are not proficient with bite, claw, slam, etc. unless you get it from some source. Unarmed strikes from a regular human fighter (which was my example) do not give you NATURAL attacks, which is what you are asking.</p><p></p><p>Improved Unarmed Strike is a feat that gives you more options, most notably not provoking attacks of opportunity. It is a prerequisite for other feats but not the greatest a monk gets by a long shot.</p><p></p><p>Absolutely if you get natural attacks from some source (spells, powers, etc.) you are proficient so long as you have them from that source. If you are a druid and can turn into a bird you can use the talons, you can't use a talon attack as a human. You don't keep the proficiency from animal form to human.</p><p></p><p>As to why you weren't proficient before but you are now. That's more of a game design question then anything else. Generally speaking I would probably rule you weren't proficient with it because it wasn't part of you. Just like when becoming a bird you can fly, because they can fly but as a human you can't. Sorry if that doesn't really achieve an answer you were hoping for but I can't do anything about that.</p><p></p><p>The simple answer, because the angel HAS a slam attack. You don't. Slam attacks are fairly powerful in the scope of natural attacks and not all creatures get them, a lot of them do but not all.</p><p></p><p>If you get a slam attack and your sword is better that's great. Use the sword. But you don't start with a slam. (This next part I can't quote specifically but I am extrapolating from what I know.) You would not be proficient with a slam attack any more than trying to talon, tail or wing an enemy to death.</p><p></p><p>As even you point out, not all outsiders have slam. Because slam is something you have to acquire not simply have.</p><p></p><p>Oh, also for your viewing pleasure:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons/weapon-descriptions/strike-unarmed" target="_blank">Strike, Unarmed - Pathfinder_OGC</a></p><p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/improved-unarmed-strike-combat---final" target="_blank">Improved Unarmed Strike (Combat) - Pathfinder_OGC</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tovec, post: 5541780, member: 95493"] Okay breaking it down. I assume you mean the Draconic Bloodline from Sorcerer, where at first level you get claws. As per the ability, you can grow them as a free action and have a claw attack. You are proficient with these, as you don't take penalties in their use. Here I'm assuming you are asking about a standard race without "claws". Typically speaking NO you don't. You can make an unarmed strike, the same as anyone but generally this is a bad (or at least subpar) idea. Not having the Improved Unarmed Strike means you are provoking attacks of opportunity with your fists. Will do. For the following answers I'm going to assume "you" are a human fighter with no relevant feats or abilities which give you natural attacks, no abilities such as the one granted from sorcerer for claws. As I already said, no you don't start with natural attacks unless it is granted by some source. Several monsters have a slam attack but you don't come with one. Also unless provided by race you don't have natural weapons like claws, a bite attack, a tail attack, wing attacks, etc. So, Joe Shmoe is disarmed, he can try and unarmed strike but without the improved unarmed strike feat he is receiving attacks of opportunity. With the feat he doesn't. Either way he is only able to deal 1d3 damage with his hands. Sidenote: as far as I'm aware unarmed strikes (monk or not) can still be any part of your body capable of producing a blow, not just your fists. Again, you are not proficient with bite, claw, slam, etc. unless you get it from some source. Unarmed strikes from a regular human fighter (which was my example) do not give you NATURAL attacks, which is what you are asking. Improved Unarmed Strike is a feat that gives you more options, most notably not provoking attacks of opportunity. It is a prerequisite for other feats but not the greatest a monk gets by a long shot. Absolutely if you get natural attacks from some source (spells, powers, etc.) you are proficient so long as you have them from that source. If you are a druid and can turn into a bird you can use the talons, you can't use a talon attack as a human. You don't keep the proficiency from animal form to human. As to why you weren't proficient before but you are now. That's more of a game design question then anything else. Generally speaking I would probably rule you weren't proficient with it because it wasn't part of you. Just like when becoming a bird you can fly, because they can fly but as a human you can't. Sorry if that doesn't really achieve an answer you were hoping for but I can't do anything about that. The simple answer, because the angel HAS a slam attack. You don't. Slam attacks are fairly powerful in the scope of natural attacks and not all creatures get them, a lot of them do but not all. If you get a slam attack and your sword is better that's great. Use the sword. But you don't start with a slam. (This next part I can't quote specifically but I am extrapolating from what I know.) You would not be proficient with a slam attack any more than trying to talon, tail or wing an enemy to death. As even you point out, not all outsiders have slam. Because slam is something you have to acquire not simply have. Oh, also for your viewing pleasure: [URL="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons/weapon-descriptions/strike-unarmed"]Strike, Unarmed - Pathfinder_OGC[/URL] [URL="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/improved-unarmed-strike-combat---final"]Improved Unarmed Strike (Combat) - Pathfinder_OGC[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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