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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dingo333" data-source="post: 5541889" data-attributes="member: 6672910">The question in posts past was whether I could take the improved natural attack (claws) feat with using the dragon bloodline claws as my means to have claws for the feat's prereq. (still not sure on that, whether it has a clause like the fly skill or not)As for natural attacks, I give you the no tail no tail slap theory, but I do have a mouth that CAN bite, I do have nails that CAN scratch. I am not saying scratch and bite an ooze to death, but if you have ever been attacked irl, I highly doubt you just punched the guy. I am also not saying that a bite or scratch is the most effective way to attack, rarely is a scratch gonna be lethal, but enough of them will make them think twice about continuing to attack you.Continuing with the human fighter example, after being disarmed, all I can do is punch (kick, elbow, etc)? If I charge one of the goblins, I may punch or kick or whatever after the charge, but before, I am gonna put all my charging force into a tackle, (which sounds like a slam natural attack to me)Also, the proficient/not proficient is still a little grey to me. A wizard can use a warhammer, with a penalty, but Joe shmoe can't tackle, penalty or no?It is a design flaw, and I see no way to resolve it unless you grant natural attacks to anything which can do it. But the answer. He says you can not, so you can not, doesn't fly with me.As for not all outsiders get natural attacks, there are 5 in bestiary 1 that don't out of all of them in that book.Anyway, thanks for the input, some of it helps but my questions still have room to be answered</blockquote>

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