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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 5542287" data-attributes="member: 95493">You CAN take the feat to use in conjunction with the claws you get from sorcerer but you gain no benefit from the feat without claws. Basically it counts as you not having the feat (in the form of a prerequisite) unless you have the claws active.Sidenote: what is improved natural attack the prerequisite for??I don't know if you have gotten into fights, especially ones where you have to fight tooth and nail. But I know that the few fights I've been in, biting someone isn't my primary goal so much as knocking their teeth in. I want to kick and throw fists and knee but biting and scratching don't do a whole lot of damage.Biting someone is not a Bite attack.Scratching someone is certainly not a Claw attack.Tackling someone is not a Slam attack.To the best of my knowledge almost everything you can do when tackling someone is already an effect you can do with a combat maneuver and/or a form of attacking. Merely tackling someone rarely results in damage. A knockback, overrun, or grapple, or similar effects are certainly what the net result would be.A wizard can use a warhammer, but they are not by default proficient and therefore take a penalty when doing so.Joe Shmoe can tackle (in the forms above) without penalty (such as attacks of opportunities) with the right feats.I am a little confused but my best response to this is.. again.. that you can bite someone but not have a bite attack (as the natural attack) unless its granted from some source. The NATURAL ATTACKS listed in monster descriptions are ones they are GOOD at. They are ones they use on a primary basis. It doesn't list that the [insert creature with weapon here] can use [different but similar weapon] but chances are they can.A kind DM may allow you to do natural attacks you feel justified in having, such a slam, with a non-proficiency roll. I wouldn't but other DMs might.Why don't they?A slam attack isn't TACKLING so much as it is using your weight or extra heavy appendages or super strength to deal damage. Ever watch a scifi like Angel, Buffy, Hercules, Xena, etc? They are able to hit the protagonists with their limbs (usually arms but sometimes tentacles) and the protagonist goes flying. That's basically what a slam attack is. Yes the protagonist can also tackle the enemy but it's not really the same.What you are hoping for is a BODY SLAM type "natural" attack in which to become proficient. Just appeal the decision to all d20 system writers, I'm sure someone will pick it up.Quick EDIT in reply to what <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/anguish.html" target="_blank">Anguish</a> said:Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.--Tyler Durden</blockquote>

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