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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dingo333" data-source="post: 5542831" data-attributes="member: 6672910">The dragon claws question is over, I can take it, I can even use it when using polymorph spells, as long as the form has claws. That was all the thread I posed before asking if I could, it is done and over, thank you (the feat wasn't a prereq, just a way to increase my damage when outta spells for a day)This keeps getting pulled up, so I am going to try and end this bit of argument. I have never said bite the dragon to death, I have said I would rather use the greatsword, or I wouldn't bite and claw an ooze to death.I understand the concept; it isn't your best attack option, and potentially bad for your health. BUT my questions and exampled have focused on the "my only weapons left are my fists" type situations@ Tovac: you have never been tackled in a fight, maybe in american football, but not a fight. Main difference, a fight, you are aiming to hurt someone, in just about every action, your mind says, option A wont hurt him or help me, option B will, proceed with option B. In american football, your opponent is pulling damage from the decision cause they know if they do hurt you, it will be a penalty and you can gain more points, what he is trying to stop.What you are refering to in this bit is done with the Monster Combat feat: Awesome Blow. In which the creature with awesome blow tries to hurt someone and then knock them back in 1 fluid motion. This is not a slam, a Slam Natural attack is effectively a body slam, which almost everything can do (sorry ghosts, no body no body slam). It does not knock down, it does not push, it is simply an attack with more force then a simple punch could supplyA trip and a bull rush are attempts to knock something prone (IE knock them down) a grapple is an attempt hinder its combat options. None of that is the effect of a tackle in RL. Yes as stated, an american football player is trying to knock down with no damage (Bull Rush) but the street fighter IS trying to injure, so their tackle will be an attempt to hurt their opponent (a slam).I am also not a new player. I have been playing pathfinder since August and was playing 3.5 for 3 years before that. I have not memorized every rule (I couldn't tell you what giant form 1 did other then grant ou the form of a giant outta memory) and the original outlook of this thread was to see what people thought on this subject.So let me try and salvage this, forget bites, claws, wing slaps all of those, lets focus on Slam. I believe I should be able to do this and that it should be more effective then a punch. I would say it still provokes an attack of opportunity (though I could argue that, as an unexpected move, the target of the slam may have a penalty to its AoO, at least the first time the tactic is used). It should do more then a 1d3, you are throwing more force into it then you could a punch (This is physics, F=MA, my acceleration is the same, but my body has more mass then my fist, so the force should be more).Thoughts on this point, if you have valid reasons that a slam isn't a viable attack when disarmed, please elaborate them. If you feel like quoting rules as your only reason, please find another thread. I am looking for thoughts not regurgitation.</blockquote>

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