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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9554891" data-attributes="member: 6790260">This is completely fair. 4e definitely did not give very good advice for how to handle various status effects and such--there was some logic written into the actual monsters themselves and what levels they appeared, but it did not make these ideas actually available to the DM.Personally...I think this was an issue of the devs caving to player demands. Specifically, things like Expertise.It always seemed quite obvious to me that the idea was to make the difficulty naturally rise over the course of the three tiers, thus mechanically encouraging teamwork and synergy to compensate. Instead, people lost their bloody minds over the fact that characters ended up being "3 points behind" by the time they reached late Epic, compared to the "monster level ~= monster stat" design. So WotC caved and gave players what they wanted! And then players realized that this actually made Epic tier noticeably too easy for a fully teamwork-optimized party.None of which is to say that it isn't an issue. It is. I just think it was an issue self-inflicted on the community, by the community.As a current FFXIV player, I've been dealing with exactly the same thing. The FFXIV community is finally waking up to the realization, so this sort of thing is hardly unique to 4e. For FFXIV, the TL;DR is that the community kept demanding XYZ things, like every tank getting a gap closer, or "healers that heal, not DPS", or every DPS class being able to do their BIG AWESOME BOP attacks during the brief window every couple minutes where all the team buffs are up. Now they've got all of the things they've been asking for for years, they hate how homogenized the classes are, how overly-simplified many of them have become, and how boring it is to heal anything except bleeding-edge content or regular content where everything is going wrong. These wounds are 100% self-inflicted; players demanded all of the things that led to this and the developers obliged. Many of the changes were not inherently bad in isolation, nor were they just bad ideas regardless of implementation (indeed, many of the ideas were great or were fixing real problems!), but their collective effect has been bad. Fortunately, the playerbase has mostly accepted that they're just as responsible for all this as the devs are, so most of them are actually showing some patience to see fixes for these issues unfold over time.</blockquote>

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