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<blockquote data-quote="Belzamus" data-source="post: 4984972" data-attributes="member: 61612"><p>Bah, I shouldn't post when I'm tired.</p><p> </p><p>Yeah, it should be almost impossible for a non-divine character to reach a level that high (barring dragons or the like which are basically gods-lite.)</p><p> </p><p>I don't go by statistics in my setting, really. Well, I do for the current era, but the Firstborn Epoch where all the Sidereals warred with each other is overflowing with epic characters. And I should probably also mention that my setting isn't really a "material" world so much as a spiritual plane with material-like properties, the current era having last for the last 100,000 years or so and all the races and inhabitants are actually the products of generation upon generations of Immortal reproduction diluting their power so much that the common person is a 1HD commoner, but the fact remains that there ARE godspawn and epic level characters all over the place. </p><p> </p><p>This guy was actually born the Amidah, a product of the annihilation of over two dozen Sidereals in a single instant of cosmic cataclysm. Afterwards trained by group of immortals to be the perfect weapon for their order, led a crusade against the Highest Heaven and ended up single-handedly driving the entire angelic race into extinction, along with about 90,000 years of as-of-yet unwritten deeds. </p><p> </p><p>I'd also argue that most of his quintessence went either into his Blessed of the Hellspawned Night or into the two-dozen Divine Abilities he has as esoterics. </p><p> </p><p>And I think another part of my problem is that I don't technically build things the right way.</p><p> </p><p>I start with class levels, which I clock in at 2/3 ECL (no items), then add their templates in (likewise at 2/3) equip them with what I feel they deserve based on story (adding directly to ECL) and then give them any relevant abilities that they qualifiy for, regardless of how many they're "allowed" to have, adding anyting that goes over that "items - 1/3 ECL" mark staight onto their ECL.</p><p> </p><p>So, I don't have a any specific target in mind, which usually ends up with a Sidereal being 1-200 points of ECL higher than normal due to the Transcendental abilities I feel they would have access to story-wise (since these builds are really meant to illustrate the setting for the stories in a way that actually reflects what happens, i.e. if you ran combat, the events that DO happen, could, statistically, conceivably happen.)</p><p> </p><p>So, yeah, mine is a bit of a special case (and he's really the only non-Immortal anywhere near that level, anyone else ascended long ago) but I DO think this is something of a problem.</p><p> </p><p>Just look at the Gargillian issue in the other thread, he's certainly not an Immortal, yet he's allegedly level 3,000. Though, U_K admitted he should get Cosmics as esoteric abilities. </p><p> </p><p>Lastly, the HP issue really comes from Cosmic Firmament multiplying a Sidereal's HP. A First One can't have less than roughly 100,000 hp, and millions with Trans. Toughness and the double Stoicism portfolio (or just Legendary Constitution). There's no way for a non-Sidereal to ever keep up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Belzamus, post: 4984972, member: 61612"] Bah, I shouldn't post when I'm tired. Yeah, it should be almost impossible for a non-divine character to reach a level that high (barring dragons or the like which are basically gods-lite.) I don't go by statistics in my setting, really. Well, I do for the current era, but the Firstborn Epoch where all the Sidereals warred with each other is overflowing with epic characters. And I should probably also mention that my setting isn't really a "material" world so much as a spiritual plane with material-like properties, the current era having last for the last 100,000 years or so and all the races and inhabitants are actually the products of generation upon generations of Immortal reproduction diluting their power so much that the common person is a 1HD commoner, but the fact remains that there ARE godspawn and epic level characters all over the place. This guy was actually born the Amidah, a product of the annihilation of over two dozen Sidereals in a single instant of cosmic cataclysm. Afterwards trained by group of immortals to be the perfect weapon for their order, led a crusade against the Highest Heaven and ended up single-handedly driving the entire angelic race into extinction, along with about 90,000 years of as-of-yet unwritten deeds. I'd also argue that most of his quintessence went either into his Blessed of the Hellspawned Night or into the two-dozen Divine Abilities he has as esoterics. And I think another part of my problem is that I don't technically build things the right way. I start with class levels, which I clock in at 2/3 ECL (no items), then add their templates in (likewise at 2/3) equip them with what I feel they deserve based on story (adding directly to ECL) and then give them any relevant abilities that they qualifiy for, regardless of how many they're "allowed" to have, adding anyting that goes over that "items - 1/3 ECL" mark staight onto their ECL. So, I don't have a any specific target in mind, which usually ends up with a Sidereal being 1-200 points of ECL higher than normal due to the Transcendental abilities I feel they would have access to story-wise (since these builds are really meant to illustrate the setting for the stories in a way that actually reflects what happens, i.e. if you ran combat, the events that DO happen, could, statistically, conceivably happen.) So, yeah, mine is a bit of a special case (and he's really the only non-Immortal anywhere near that level, anyone else ascended long ago) but I DO think this is something of a problem. Just look at the Gargillian issue in the other thread, he's certainly not an Immortal, yet he's allegedly level 3,000. Though, U_K admitted he should get Cosmics as esoteric abilities. Lastly, the HP issue really comes from Cosmic Firmament multiplying a Sidereal's HP. A First One can't have less than roughly 100,000 hp, and millions with Trans. Toughness and the double Stoicism portfolio (or just Legendary Constitution). There's no way for a non-Sidereal to ever keep up. [/QUOTE]
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