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<blockquote data-quote="Dark Dragon" data-source="post: 1736943" data-attributes="member: 1115"><p>A dragon on an open battle field mostly doesn't fit into the CR system. As already mentioned, he has more options to move (3D, most PCs only can move in 2D), a nasty breath weapon and quite high physical strength. Give him some good melee feats (Snatch, Flyby Attack, Power Attack, Improved Critical (claw or bite)) and perhaps one or two manouver feats (Wingover, Hover, Improved Flight) and you have a real killer. When a dragon can cast spells, your party may be screwed...when he can cast <em>Antimagic Field </em> (and fits into the field), a party of level 20 or higher is wiped out by a CR 20 old Red Dragon in most cases: It casts <em>Antimagic Field </em> prior to combat, attacks a spellcaster with Flyby and Snatch, tears him into pieces, attacks the next PC...</p><p></p><p>Fighting a dragon is never as easy as it seems, and when the party isn't fighting as a team, it will be TPKed in most cases.</p><p></p><p>I'd say the TPK wasn't your fault. The players may have learned something about dragons and are more careful the next time. Negotiation is sometimes better than fighting (my group has made that experience last session: Two times we were able to force a very old Red Dragon to retreat, but the third encounter nearly resulted in a TPK due to bad tactics: Three PCs dead, three alive. The dragon made one offer: Our equipment for our lives. We accepted and could leave. Now the group is planning revenge).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dark Dragon, post: 1736943, member: 1115"] A dragon on an open battle field mostly doesn't fit into the CR system. As already mentioned, he has more options to move (3D, most PCs only can move in 2D), a nasty breath weapon and quite high physical strength. Give him some good melee feats (Snatch, Flyby Attack, Power Attack, Improved Critical (claw or bite)) and perhaps one or two manouver feats (Wingover, Hover, Improved Flight) and you have a real killer. When a dragon can cast spells, your party may be screwed...when he can cast [I]Antimagic Field [/I] (and fits into the field), a party of level 20 or higher is wiped out by a CR 20 old Red Dragon in most cases: It casts [I]Antimagic Field [/I] prior to combat, attacks a spellcaster with Flyby and Snatch, tears him into pieces, attacks the next PC... Fighting a dragon is never as easy as it seems, and when the party isn't fighting as a team, it will be TPKed in most cases. I'd say the TPK wasn't your fault. The players may have learned something about dragons and are more careful the next time. Negotiation is sometimes better than fighting (my group has made that experience last session: Two times we were able to force a very old Red Dragon to retreat, but the third encounter nearly resulted in a TPK due to bad tactics: Three PCs dead, three alive. The dragon made one offer: Our equipment for our lives. We accepted and could leave. Now the group is planning revenge). [/QUOTE]
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