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<blockquote data-quote="woodelf" data-source="post: 1864049" data-attributes="member: 10201">Well, IMHO, the eye-straining layout, and the horrid organization, certainly don't help. Toss in a healthy dose of poor writing, and you have the D&amp;D3E core books.&nbsp; The combination of poor writing and poor organization meant that we didn't properly figure out the combat rules 'til the D20SRD showed up (now, since somebody at WotC is clearly capable of such organization and writing, why aren't the rulebooks as clear as the SRD?).&nbsp;&nbsp;[And don't bother accusing me of just being dumb in this regard--i've figured out Hero System 4th combat, CORPS 2nd ed combat, and GURPS 3rd advanced combat, all from the books, and with no trouble. It's not me. Not to mention, it wasn't just me, it was the whole group (8 people), some of whom were experienced RPers, some of whom were newbies (and thus&nbsp; free of preconceptions).]&nbsp;&nbsp;Funny on the MM--that's the only one i have yet to read more than a half-dozen pages from. Not only the jumbled layout and poor design, but the fact that they took away all the bits that i used to read in monster books. Used to be (particularly in Ars Magica and AD&amp;D2), i'd read all the &quot;important&quot; stuff--the ecology/behavior/appearance bits--right away, and only even look at the stats once i was considering using it. Now, i can't even read a description of the creature in most cases--we're stuck with looking at the picture, which may or may not be accurate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="woodelf, post: 1864049, member: 10201"] Well, IMHO, the eye-straining layout, and the horrid organization, certainly don't help. Toss in a healthy dose of poor writing, and you have the D&D3E core books. The combination of poor writing and poor organization meant that we didn't properly figure out the combat rules 'til the D20SRD showed up (now, since somebody at WotC is clearly capable of such organization and writing, why aren't the rulebooks as clear as the SRD?). [And don't bother accusing me of just being dumb in this regard--i've figured out Hero System 4th combat, CORPS 2nd ed combat, and GURPS 3rd advanced combat, all from the books, and with no trouble. It's not me. Not to mention, it wasn't just me, it was the whole group (8 people), some of whom were experienced RPers, some of whom were newbies (and thus free of preconceptions).] Funny on the MM--that's the only one i have yet to read more than a half-dozen pages from. Not only the jumbled layout and poor design, but the fact that they took away all the bits that i used to read in monster books. Used to be (particularly in Ars Magica and AD&D2), i'd read all the "important" stuff--the ecology/behavior/appearance bits--right away, and only even look at the stats once i was considering using it. Now, i can't even read a description of the creature in most cases--we're stuck with looking at the picture, which may or may not be accurate. [/QUOTE]

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