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<blockquote data-quote="knasser" data-source="post: 7702302" data-attributes="member: 65151"><p>That's a little patronizing. I studied it in English Literature and the view I've given is the one shared with my teacher. Maybe we're wrong but it would be better to give a reasoned argument rather than the antagonistic and void of facts "I suggest you read it again, then".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"What though the field be lost?</p><p>All is not lost; the unconquerable Will,</p><p>And study of revenge, immortal hate,</p><p>And courage never to submit or yield:</p><p>And what is else not to be overcome?"</p><p></p><p>These are the lines Satan utters in Book One, on being cast down: that though they lost the field of battle, they have not lost all. That their will is unconquered, that they will strike back, that they have courage enough to never submit, never to yield. Seriously - "nothing heroic about Satan in the work?" He is the quintessential rebel fighting for a cause he knows he cannot win. By modern sensibilities, that has the ring of a hero which is what I said. Plenty of other examples, also.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, that was Milton's <em>intent</em>. But his work is, and the countless people who read the devil bits and find themselves barely able to to struggle through the turgid self-congratulating dialogues between God and Jesus will agree with me, acheiving something very much other than the author's intent. Despite Milton's views, people regard a person fighting against overwhelming odds, against a self-appointed ruler and refusing to break</p><p></p><p>If you want to leap in and tell me that my comments are wrong, please do so with some slightly politer and reasoned disagreement as to why I am, rather than "suggest you read it again" and reel of a handful of opinions as statements.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Oh, and William Blake and Shelly both agreed with me, btw.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="knasser, post: 7702302, member: 65151"] That's a little patronizing. I studied it in English Literature and the view I've given is the one shared with my teacher. Maybe we're wrong but it would be better to give a reasoned argument rather than the antagonistic and void of facts "I suggest you read it again, then". "What though the field be lost? All is not lost; the unconquerable Will, And study of revenge, immortal hate, And courage never to submit or yield: And what is else not to be overcome?" These are the lines Satan utters in Book One, on being cast down: that though they lost the field of battle, they have not lost all. That their will is unconquered, that they will strike back, that they have courage enough to never submit, never to yield. Seriously - "nothing heroic about Satan in the work?" He is the quintessential rebel fighting for a cause he knows he cannot win. By modern sensibilities, that has the ring of a hero which is what I said. Plenty of other examples, also. No, that was Milton's [I]intent[/I]. But his work is, and the countless people who read the devil bits and find themselves barely able to to struggle through the turgid self-congratulating dialogues between God and Jesus will agree with me, acheiving something very much other than the author's intent. Despite Milton's views, people regard a person fighting against overwhelming odds, against a self-appointed ruler and refusing to break If you want to leap in and tell me that my comments are wrong, please do so with some slightly politer and reasoned disagreement as to why I am, rather than "suggest you read it again" and reel of a handful of opinions as statements. EDIT: Oh, and William Blake and Shelly both agreed with me, btw. [/QUOTE]
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