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<blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 3812378" data-attributes="member: 32536"><p>If you are not looking for something interesting in the ECS, then what new information do you want? "interesting" is about the only thing I look for in the fluff of D&D books... I can't imagine using something uninteresting, at the very least... Even if all you care about is that the words are new, I don't see why they need a time jump to achieve that. I, certainly, never argued that they should just reprint the 3E ECS with a few modifications.</p><p></p><p>Also, I don't have a problem with the "you just never noticed them" idea, so I can't agree that it is lame.</p><p></p><p>I mean, characters who wizards in 3E will still be wizards in 4E, so there is no need to retcon. Some characters who were fighters, like King Boranel, might now be warlords, but that is arguably a better class for guys like the king in the first place. No need to change his identity or his history, or explain some magical retraining he underwent. The DM and Players know there was an edition change. The rules changed, and that is all the explanation necessary. All the books need to do is list (Warlord 12) by his name, and mention how many generals and field commanders in the Last War were warlords, and that is fine.</p><p></p><p>Also, I don't see what that specific thread or the Player's Guide to Eberron have to do with my points... I never paid much attention to that thread, and I doubt the designers made their decision based on that thread. I am referring to the minor commenting going on across various Eberron threads on various message boards. It seemed like there was pretty widespread hate for the idea from my perspective. I guess, lacking any definitve polls on the subject, that it is impossible to say.</p><p></p><p>I disliked all the sidebars in the Player's Guide to Eberron too. They were unnecessary and mostly uninspired. I don't see the relevence to my opinions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TwinBahamut, post: 3812378, member: 32536"] If you are not looking for something interesting in the ECS, then what new information do you want? "interesting" is about the only thing I look for in the fluff of D&D books... I can't imagine using something uninteresting, at the very least... Even if all you care about is that the words are new, I don't see why they need a time jump to achieve that. I, certainly, never argued that they should just reprint the 3E ECS with a few modifications. Also, I don't have a problem with the "you just never noticed them" idea, so I can't agree that it is lame. I mean, characters who wizards in 3E will still be wizards in 4E, so there is no need to retcon. Some characters who were fighters, like King Boranel, might now be warlords, but that is arguably a better class for guys like the king in the first place. No need to change his identity or his history, or explain some magical retraining he underwent. The DM and Players know there was an edition change. The rules changed, and that is all the explanation necessary. All the books need to do is list (Warlord 12) by his name, and mention how many generals and field commanders in the Last War were warlords, and that is fine. Also, I don't see what that specific thread or the Player's Guide to Eberron have to do with my points... I never paid much attention to that thread, and I doubt the designers made their decision based on that thread. I am referring to the minor commenting going on across various Eberron threads on various message boards. It seemed like there was pretty widespread hate for the idea from my perspective. I guess, lacking any definitve polls on the subject, that it is impossible to say. I disliked all the sidebars in the Player's Guide to Eberron too. They were unnecessary and mostly uninspired. I don't see the relevence to my opinions. [/QUOTE]
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